| Becoming familiar with those who need intervention | | (Q11) I think these extraprofessional demands are much more prevalent than anybody anticipated. We have heard incredibly compelling stories of devastating life issues, financial issues, mental health issues, physical health issues, big life stressors related to people's spouses, children, aging parents and also, things related to visas and the international and spread-out nature of people's families and caring for family members and responsibilities that I think are really impacting people's ability to keep their career going and stay in academics. And those disproportionately impact women and people of color. So, it's much worse than we thought. I mean I thought there was some of this out there, but I didn't realize there was so much! (Female director)(Q12) I think that the best stories, at least that hit both department chairmen and the school of medicine are a faculty member who has three children at home and is caring for parents. I would say this notion about the “sandwich generation” has come out a lot more in this protocol than people thought … and the amount of stress that occurs. (Male director)(Q13) [W]hat we have found is that people, even though they are applying for this, they really underestimate all the things that are causing them stress. They usually identify one thing but when you start asking them, you find out so many other things… They are applying because they had a child who was hospitalized for a month and now, has to go for therapy three times a week. But then you start asking and they [reveal]…my mother- in-law got sick and she came to live with us, and she is bedridden. … So, I think that we have … learned to try to … prompt the person a little bit so they will recognize all the things that they perhaps should be seeking help with. (Female director)(Q14) So, [prior to the Doris Duke program] both men and women who didn't perceive the institution as a place to seek substantive support for their careers … in these periods of [extraprofessional challenge],… just either fell back and they hoped that nobody noticed for six months to a year while they recovered. Or they …just changed their own visions for their careers. They reduced … their ambition to do science and tried to find something else. (Female director)(Q15) …[W]omen and people of color are very vulnerable to drop out and to leave and[they] face tremendous extra stressors in academic medicine… [Women and people of color] are the people who are most important to retain in science because they are already such a minority. (Female director) |
| Defining “need” and balancing scope of intervention | (Q16) What becomes significant in our mind now is skewed toward the really devastating so if somebody has three kids under the age of three, or they have twins or they have triplets, and they have a working spouse and no family in town, that's actually incredibly stressful. But compared to brain cancer, it's like nothing. So, I think what has happened is that we are undervaluing the normal and significant stress of… having a career and having kids and that period in people's lives. So, I think we actually should be doing something for all those folks, but we are not. We are just saying, no, that's normal life; suck it up. You don't have brain cancer. When, in reality, you know, I think the distribution of these stressors really needs further analysis because how people cope with stress and their resiliency, their wellness, sleep deprivation, their physical, mental,… emotional health is impacted just by having kids, right? It doesn't have to be a disastrous pregnancy, it doesn't have to be a disastrous health issue for a child, but even just having small children is …a big life stress. (Female director)(Q17) My personal opinion is the institution, our academic medical center, should probably have in place…resources and support for employees and faculty that are easy to access. Things like relatively low-cost childcare, the ability to work from home,… the cultural acceptability of working from home at least some of the time, the ability to negotiate part time faculty positions that are still on the tenure track…Those were not culturally acceptable ideas. So, we were getting applications from people who would have benefitted from institutional resources, but our resources were really…designed for episodic needs. And we had a lot of those conversations about, you know, is anticipating a second baby with an otherwise healthy pregnancy enough of an extraordinary circumstance to warrant support? And I think most of us came down on the side of no, these are anticipatable personal challenges that everybody has but, boy,…it would be better if the institution had other resources in place. (Female director) |
| Implementing the intervention to support physician-scientist caregivers | | (Q18) It's just how [FRCS awardees] feel about [the award], like my gosh! “This extra $40,000 just makes a huge difference. I can hire part of a research assistant or buy out this, and now, I don't need to be doing the original data collection on these subjects in my clinical trial or updating my biosketch or this other grant that I'm getting.” It adds the extra helping hands that they need and then, provides them with the time…So, you use the money to help give yourself time so that your time is blocked out to do high-level stuff, right? (Female director)(Q19) [W]e created some travel grants so that if they don't have money to present their research somewhere, I think we put together either two or three of these each year, of about [$]1,500 a year…. they just present a reason that they would like to use a travel grant to support their research, so that …they can network about future opportunities and all the stuff that goes with that type of thing. (Female director)(Q20) I think we also are very supportive of our scholars. We don't just give them the money. We provide mentoring opportunities for them. We provide trainings for them. We are involved with them. We don't just hand them money and say, good luck. (Female director)(Q21) Regarding what you are asking about how Doris Duke specifically, how that grant has helped…. what it has created is a cohort. So, we just had our first call with the next who are joining this group and they say really what they want is they want to be together, you know. It can feel isolating and when you have something like a really sick partner or parent or child that you are caring for at home it can feel like you are the only one that's going through this. … And so, coming together and learning … life hacks together is something we have been talking a lot about, and using their experiences to help others. You know altruism is a strong driver and a very good healthy defense for when things are rough in life and how they can work together to advocate for things to make it easier for other caregivers. (Female director) |
| Identifying the right time to intervene | | (Q22) I think the other thing that makes a sweet spot is that the help they need is usually …[a part time] person [to assist with their work] and if they have access to part of a person right away that they can hire this month, you know, then it works It's hard to assess that in the application process but we are just realizing how … people have been so successful and so have been able to jump over to their RO1 funding, you know, who were they, how did they use the money; how quickly did they use the money. (Female director)(Q23) And to contrast, it sounds kind of obvious, but to contrast this or to give you a sense of contrast, you know, we have given money to somebody who had a series of unexpected crushing life events and there continued to be additional life events after the award was made. …[We] are struggling with him getting around to being able to spend the money because he is so consumed by… these crises… And so, the sweet spot would have been if he was all ready to go… but he wasn't quite at that point. (Female director) |
| Addressing other challenges to intervening | | (Q24) I think one of the things that we have struggled with here is the tension between giving people support so they can buy out [clinical] time, where they can have additional support to make up for the time that they need to be with… an ill family member or sick family member or family member who is in another country, and us asking too much of them in return. So, we have tried to just thread that needle like,…we would like to offer people a whole panoply of … services but what we have to be able to do is be respectful of their time, because that's really what they need, they need time. (Female director)(Q25) I think a challenge has been… knowing how much to try to get involved in the life and work [of] the award recipients, and to try to help them in whatever way we can … versus just giving them the money. And I think we want to be there for them, we want to do what we can…they have good mentoring already and so, we get the message that they don't want additional obligations because, as a matter of fact, the problem they are having is work/life balance challenges, time management challenges. (Female director)(Q26) I think that another surprising [observation] to me is that it seems to me that faculty when they tell the story of the extraprofessional stress … [They] have just been less willing to talk about how the stress has impacted on them personally. And I think it just goes into what's a safe story to tell at work and what is a less safe story to tell at work…what the safe story to say is I am a very effective faculty member. I am working really hard… It's a lot less safe to say, again, that “this has been going on for years. It has demoralized me. I am really depressed. I'm getting treatment for my depression, and I now realize I have to reorganize the way I work to be more efficient.” That is the unsafe story because it kind of implies you are not a reliable partner or you have some inability to cope which could be a problem… And I'm sure there are some people doing the calculation that would say, “I don't think it's worth the $20,000 a year if I have to reveal all that to my colleagues and department chairs.” I have heard that kind of, you know, informally. (Male director)(Q27) I think the sort of challenge we have is that for every one person we have helped, I think there are probably five or 10 more people out there who have equal situations that need help that are not applying because they still don't think that their need is as great as others or they don't feel comfortable disclosing what their personal or family health challenge is.… [D]octors are kind of trained to ‘suck it up’ and be resilient and never complain and just power through it. So I think that they still don't think they need help or they think asking for help is a sign of weakness or an admission that they are not able to make it when, in reality, they are doing this heroic thing already. (Female director) |