| Literature DB >> 35146821 |
Fiona Kennedy1, Leanne Shearsmith1,2, Marie Holmes1, Rosemary Peacock1, Oana C Lindner1, Molly Megson1,2, Galina Velikova1.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: This study aimed to explore experiences of follow-up after treatment and views on an electronic patient-reported outcome (ePRO) pathway among ovarian cancer patients and clinicians.Entities:
Keywords: clinicians; electronic patient-reported outcomes; follow-up; ovarian cancer; patients; qualitative
Mesh:
Year: 2022 PMID: 35146821 PMCID: PMC9287040 DOI: 10.1111/ecc.13557
Source DB: PubMed Journal: Eur J Cancer Care (Engl) ISSN: 0961-5423 Impact factor: 2.328
Characteristics of included patient (PT) participants (n = 16) in follow‐up after ovarian cancer treatment, as documented at the time of study interview
| Study ID | Age | Months since treatment end at interview | Experience of treatment at interview (first line or first & second) |
|---|---|---|---|
| PT1 | 60 |
| First & second |
| PT2 | 49 |
| First line |
| PT3 | 59 |
| First line |
| PT4 | 68 |
| First line |
| PT5 | 80 |
| First & second |
| PT6 | 51 |
| First line |
| PT7 | 70 |
| First line |
| PT9 | 78 | 2 | First & second |
| PT10 | 23 |
| First line |
| PT11 | 69 |
| First line |
| PT12 | 52 |
| First line |
| PT13 | 69 |
| First line |
| PT14 | 55 |
| First line |
| PT15 | 75 |
| First line |
| PT16 | 66 |
| First line |
| PT17 | 79 |
| First line |
| Median 67 years; interquartile range 54.25–71.25 | Median 10.5 months; interquartile range 8–14.92 | First line = 13 (81.25%) | |
| First & second line = 3 (18.75%) |
FIGURE 1Thematic map illustrating the two areas explored and resulting themes—Current follow‐up pathway (blue shading) and views on ePRO monitoring (green shading)
Theme 1: Transition into/during follow‐up
| Transition into/during follow‐up | |
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| Transition into follow‐up & variable experiences | 1. ‘… suddenly they are flying free and alone and that transition is something which can be quite worrying for some of them because every little symptom beforehand they could talk to the next chemotherapy nurse or somebody “oh I've got a twinge there, I've got a headache there, is that something to worry about?” and that's not the case anymore. So putting their own symptoms in the right little space in the back of their mind can be challenging’ (Consultant 4) |
| 2. ‘You know, you have a really full diary with various tests and things. And then all of a sudden it just seems to stop and there does not seem to be anything there anymore. But then I think you soon forget that. But if you back up work then you forget about it all completely really.’ (PT2) | |
| 3. ‘Personally I felt as if I'd lost a lifeline’ (PT7) | |
| Flexibility during follow‐up | 4. ‘So people who are to struggle a little bit with the idea of 3 month appointment, either overtly or just subjectively from your judgement/assessment of how the conversations going, you might do a 6 week or a 2 month appointment to kind of ease them out of that kind of, you know, institutionalisation.’ (Consultant 1) |
| 5. ‘Some patients … perhaps do not have the support at home or you are worried that they might not report some of the symptoms that they have got then you might sort of want to follow up a little more frequently.’ (CNS1) | |
| 6. ‘It's difficult to explain really, it's really hard to explain to you because it depends on knowing your patient. Because I know one of my patients will ring up and just her name and I will think oh, she never rings, I need to ring her. So it's about knowing your patients as well, knowing where they are in their pathway, knowing what makes, how they tick. It's not, there aren't any black and white guidelines, and it's about knowing what you do, knowing your disease and knowing your patient.’ (CNS5) | |
Theme 2: Key features of effective follow‐up and individual roles
| Key features of effective follow‐up and individual roles | |
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| Trusted contact/direct link | 1. ‘I do know that I can speak to the clinic, I do know that I can still speak to the Macmillan nurses even though I'm not necessarily needing them, I can speak to them and they'll have the knowledge as well, if it was really really urgent then I really would have to contact my GP, but like I say you cannot get an appointment, so I think the clinic would be the best thing because, you know, that gives me more confidence that somebody's actually listening.’ (PT6) |
| 2. ‘I know if I need them, there's always somebody there, yeah. | |
| 3. ‘we know our patients are going to relapse, we know the high majority of them are going to run into trouble and we know they are going to come back. So we just keep them, so they just ring us and we slot them back into a clinic.’ (CNS5) | |
| Monitoring disease (symptoms & bloods) | 4. ‘Now that very very rarely happens because usually our patients are the ones who notice they are not quite as well and they come back to clinic earlier. It's very rare that we diagnose a relapse or a recurrence at a consultation.’ (CNS5) |
| 5. ‘I was just at the hospital on Friday, sorry, last Thursday for my second three month follow‐up and then (the consultant) said have you got any symptoms, I said oh no, no and then I walked out and thought I wonder what symptoms I could be having, I did not | |
| 6. ‘Well, I had symptoms similar to before my diagnosis, that's when I rang [CNS} and she got me in to the clinic and then they sent me for the CT scan, that was April last year and that was the last CT scan I had, but everything was okay, there was no sign of … I mean I'm not thinking about it all the time but anyone will say to you once you have had cancer and you get a pain somewhere, you know, you think “oh, that's something to do with the cancer”, yeah.’ (PT13) | |
| 7. ‘on my first 3‐monthly appointment I did not have a blood test so I think that did not help and they said that I did not need a blood test, they did not feel I needed one. Then obviously i'd had no pains at all so I thought oh I will not have one but then I think I should have done now. So I had one this time and then everything came back fine so I'm okay now. But I think that's why, because I did not have that evidence.’ (PT10) | |
| Information and holistic needs | 8. ‘We do not do very much in the way of education about what symptoms people might look out for because we kind of screen purposefully. But people know that they can contact us in‐between clinic visits if they are concerned about any symptoms that they might have. And they might do that by contacting the CNS who might kind of triage as to whether they think those are significant symptoms or not and if needs be bring them back to clinic sooner, or direct to GP if they think it's not related.’ (Consultant 1) |
| 9. ‘I think just having like leaflets and things to hand. You know, because obviously you are going to get niggles and pains because basically your body has changed from the chemo and stuff. I just think having that to hand that you can just look at any time. Because the internet, you google, you put it in the internet and they literally pronounce you dead you know what I mean. You cannot, looking at symptoms on the internet, to looking at ones on a leaflet, it's completely different.’ (PT10) | |
| 10. ‘I think everybody sort of dips in and has a look, frightens themselves to death [laughs] … There's a lot of good stuff out there but there's also a lot of, you know, bad stuff that you should not really look at.’ (PT2) | |
| 11. ‘if I've needed any information then I have done it at the, I've asked at the clinic’ (PT6) | |
| 12. ‘if I'm honest we tend to refer them on an ad‐hoc basis when they raise that need to us because they have not had that opportunity to do that proper holistic assessment.’ (CNS5) | |
| 13. ‘We will talk to them about those sorts of things [symtoms of relapse]. We do have some nice cards that we need to get developed and printed to give to patients because it's there, we have done it, we have done the work on it … but to me the ideal would be when they come for that 6 week scan to have another appointment that runs alongside that for holistic end of treatment assessment.’ (CNS5) | |
Theme 3: General issues in follow‐up
| General issues in follow‐up | |
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| Unpredictable nature of relapse | 1. ‘If your purpose of the screening element of follow up is early detection of recurrent cancer and intermittent, randomly timed follow up appointment, there's no particular sense why that's an effective way to do that when cancer can come back at any time … So it is not logical that a 3‐monthly versus a 4‐monthly versus a 6‐monthly versus a 2‐weekly is a better way of picking up recurrence than not.’ (Consultant 1) |
| 2. ‘I often feel our patients go into follow up not really knowing what to expect and what not to expect and we do get quite a few patients that get very emotionally distressed and hit rock bottom. And I think sometimes, again, that's because we have not been able to do the correct end of pathway … and that's very scary for them going back out into that world because they know that sometime soon it's going to come back but, yet well we are saying we'll see you in 3 months we'll see you in 6 months. Then in their heads it's like, well, but I could relapse in a months' time. It is a very difficult time living alongside a cancer diagnosis, I think any cancer diagnosis must be very very difficult because it changes your life, but I think with things like, or if I say purely with our ovarian patients, it's that not knowing when and where that's going to come back.’ (CNS5) | |
| Symptom reporting | 3. ‘But sometimes they come to clinic and they have got symptoms but they are mild, they are potentially waited, so they can be seen in clinic. Well yeah actually I have noticed in the last couple of weeks in getting a bit more tired and you know I've lost a bit of appetite. But there's certainly the significant ones that are dramatic symptoms they do phone us do not they?’ (CNS3) |
| 4. ‘You know sometimes you, the patients might have symptoms but they know they are coming to the doctors in a couple of weeks and have their blood tested the day before so they do not say anything.’ (Consultant 4) | |
| 5. ‘No, it depends what it is really. I mean obviously you do not ring them straight away, it's only if you are really worried about something. You sort of take some tablets or depending on what it was. It's just, if I have any pain in my sides or lower stomach where I've had my operation, then I probably would contact the hospital, contact [CNS], and just have a chat with her about it.’ (PT13 | |
| Pros and cons of clinic visits | 6. ‘Knowing that you have got regular check‐ups, it's a bit of a comfort blanket really.’ (PT2) ‘Some of them completely blank everything out until 2 days before their appointment when they have a blood test … Some patients get really uptight, so 2 weeks before their appointment they start panicking, and then you talk to them and everything alright and then they are okay again until that next time. Some patients just take it in their stride and find it helpful and some patients cling onto that as if this is you know when you get the sort of “mini all clear” which is of course not an all clear but sort of that reassurance that everything seems to be steady at the moment and they. So sometimes it generates anxiety, sometimes it can relieve anxiety, it think it is very individual …’ (Consultant 4) |
| Role of CA125 | 7. ‘we have got 1 or 2 ladies who do, they do live for that blood test.’ (CNS4) |
| 8. ‘Well the main thing when I go to clinic is because when you have had ovarian cancer there's this marker CA125 is it, so that is what I look at when I go to clinic, I go for my bloods doing before I go into clinic so that they have got the results back.’ (PT13) | |
| 9. ‘I did ask them to do the blood tests each time I go, not for them to tell me that I'm okay, but for me to sort of say I'm okay, things are moving along nicely, all my aches and pains, I'm getting used to what is now normal again, but then you know, they would have a look at my blood results and say you are saying you are okay and we can confirm that you are, and that from my point of view that just made me feel so much better.’ (PT6) | |
| 10. ‘We're trying to move away from the CA125 … we explain to them that you know, we do not treat just on a rising CA125—we treat when they have symptoms and the rationale and the reason for that and the evidence … At the moment it's patient choice, yeah. And some patients are like “no, I need to have my CA125 done” and that's fair enough, we'll do it for that and other patients are like “actually, I do not want to know because it worries me”. Because if it has gone up, and it can go up for so many other reasons that's the other thing you know any other inflammation area it can be raised.’ (CNS1) | |
| Time & resources | 11. ‘But then you go in and they say to you everything's fine, you think “oh I've sat there for an hour and everything's fine”. I mean you come out feeling happy, obviously, but it seems a bad use of time, their time, as well as my time is not it.’ (PT13) |
| 12. ‘… they travel quite a bit, they wait quite a bit and then if everything's alright then they might have a, they have a very short appointment and so the satisfaction with that is probably not necessarily so high … But it's not necessarily the most economical way of dealing with it if they are well and especially if they are well educated and confident how to manage symptoms and how to look out for symptoms.’ (Consultant 4) | |
Theme 4: Views on ePRO follow‐up
| 4.1 General views on ePRO follow‐up | |
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| General views | 1. ‘if when a patients diagnosed that is the follow up model and they are told that, it just becomes the follow up model because they do not know no different. Patients that are currently on follow up, there are definitely a group of those patients that would jump at that. Some of our patients are working so they do not want to take time off because not all companies allow you time for hospital visits and they have to spend annual leave. A lot of them get very anxious … whereby if they were not coming to see us and they could just fill in a little thing at home in their own time and do a blood test, I think a lot of patients would like that. I think eventually, you will always get a group of patients who change is a difficult thing.’ (CNS5) |
| 2. ‘they'll be some people who prefer to see a doctor, some people who would prefer to be seen face‐to‐face and there would be some people would prefer not to come to clinic and sit in clinic for 3 hours waiting for somebody to tell them that they are okay, which they already knew.’ (Consultant 1) | |
| 3. ‘And there are patients that come in to clinic and say “yeah, yeah I'm fine” but you can look at them and say “you are not, you are clearly not” because they look so unwell. So those sorts of patients, you would need to use your clinical judgement before you put them on that sort of thing. I think it would only be a minority, there would only be a few of those patients that you would want to actually see … You get to know your patients, yeah. At the end of treatment you would know those patients you want to bring back and those that you would be able to offer the online service to.’ (CNS1) | |
| 4. ‘… when I went on Thursday it was 45 minutes [to get there] and because you know my bloods were fine and I was fine I was only in the surgery for two minutes, and then another 45 minutes to home so this sounds like a brilliant idea! … There would be a series of questions that have I answered ‐ have I got, do I feel and so on, if I had any concerns then I can ring somebody and speak to them straight away and if there was anything that came back that would be dealt straight away. So no I have no concerns about it and I think it would be brilliant idea’ (PT12) | |
| 5. ‘As long as I get results of that CA125 level and I've got the option to ring somebody like [CNS] if I needed to go into clinic, then yeah, no it would not bother me not going in to see the oncologist.’ (PT13) | |
| 6. ‘I think for the first sort of maybe a year I would prefer to see somebody face to face, but after that I think I'd be quite happy to do it over the net.’ (PT3) | |
| 7. ‘personally I would not want to do it. Mainly because I'm not that good at typing things in so it would take me so long. But also I can see how it would benefit some people, I do not think it should be dismissed, but it would not be for me at all … I just would not want to do it but I'm not that good with the internet to rely on it or I would be deleting something that I should not have done and no, it would not be for me at all. But I can see how it would benefit people who are quite good with it and look on the internet a lot and deal with it.’ (PT7) | |
| Practicalities of ePRO | |
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| 8. ‘I think it should be similar to a clinic appointment because we are going to have to invest man power into looking into the questionnaires and if suddenly we are doing them twice as often, that's sort of defeating a lot of the object of doing this.’ (Consultant 3) |
| 9. ‘I think the gaps that we have at the moment which is the three month gap, for myself the three month is a nice gap, it's not too long but it's not too short, and anything in‐between then I would put it on the online system.’ (PT6) | |
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| 10. ‘if patients know that's the way the follow up is and things, again they are more accepting, so it's targeting sort of new patients that are coming through and this is how it is.’ (CNS4) |
| 11. ‘I think as well it's got to be introduced from the very beginning so when you first see the patient, when you are talking about “when you go into follow up we will not be seeing you, we will be, this is how we do our follow up”’. (CNS2) | |
| 12. ‘something like “personal individualised follow up”. I do not know. But I think the terminology has to be right for the patients to accept it, most definitely.’ (CNS1) | |
| 13. ‘Yeah, we all term it remote monitoring, there's something slightly sinister about, you know like the big brother aspect, it's always in the news and stuff is not about, remote monitoring seems more akin to that’ (Consultant 2) | |
| 14. ‘I would have thought that the way that you would do it is you would start while they are on treatment, and getting, so you are already starting that process of them telling you how they are. I would have thought that would be the easiest thing because the fall back is they are being seen every so many weeks, so then it becomes second nature to them.’ (CNS2) | |
| 15. ‘we are not abandoning them by going down this route, it's just a different route of accessing our service.’ (CNS4) | |
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| 16. ‘I think what you have to do is reassure that patient that they still have complete access to the hospital, to the CNS team. We are primarily the ones that patients ring in and I think it's saying alongside this, you also can ring these girls at any time, or boys … this allows you to continue working, it allows you to access it at any time, I'm assuming they can access it and put symptoms in at any time, but it's there. You know, if you are not sure and you do not particularly want to ring up you have got this or if you want to ring up you still can ring up.’ (CNS5) |
| 17. ‘as long as there is the option to go and see the Oncologist or to get in touch with somebody.’ (PT13) | |
| 18. ‘I think you could probably do sort of a standard response, that you have looked at the symptoms that I've put and that the medical team find no cause for concern’ (PT6) | |
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| 19. ‘I think the questions would have to be quite specific. When you are thinking of the parameters, you'd have to be asking “has it increased in frequency, has it increased in severity?” Does that make sense? … and at the same time you'd need a baseline, so for example I've had patients that've had abdominal pain since they have had their surgery, and that pain has never gone away and so that's their norm.’ (CNS1) |
| 20. ‘Yeah it's the change rather than the actual number. I mean the safest, if it cannot do that because it's quite a complicated thing to do … if it cannot do that the safest thing is to just have it at a level, because that's safer, it's better to over‐call it than to under‐call it … Yeah, because you can graph it cannot you as well, you can look at things over time. So it's better to pull it and over call it than miss. Because if it says this patient is scoring 3's and 4's and you go well they always score 3's and 4's, that's fine. But you might just phone them and make sure they are still alright if you are having a moment of paranoia. But yeah, it would be a disaster to have somebody at home with a major problem that you have missed.’ (Consultant 3) | |
| 21. ‘One level it could be computer generated algorithm led, so that the computer alerts you to … positive responses to symptom questions. If we are clever enough in how we do the symptom list, how you then fine tune them. What you do intuitively in a clinic is that you ask them a screening question and then they'll give you an answer and you'll probe as to whether you think that's a significant symptom or not. And whether we can construct a series of questions, a kind of tree of questions that allows you to do that or not remains … To stratify your level of concern. So you could just do it that, whatever the trigger is in terms of number of symptoms, frequency of symptoms, severity of symptoms, triggers and alerts, CA125 above a normal level.’ (Consultant 1) | |
| 22. ‘quite often it's the small symptoms that are the alerts and I think, I think quite often it's quite difficult to say “well if they ring up with this, this and this, that's high, we need to be doing something”. But quite often it's a niggle that's become more than a niggle that's been going on for quite a long time, it's, I do not know, I mean you have obviously, you have got it going somewhere else maybe, but it's how you determine where that level of concern is, but I presume that will come out of your pilot’ (CNS2) | |
| 23. ‘I like the safety net of having a blood test as well though. If I could sort of like go to my local hospital and if they sent out the bloods thing and you just went to your local hospital and they sent it off to them without you having to actually go, do you know what I mean? … So that, that blood test just, you know, keeps me comfortable.’ (PT3) | |
| 24. ‘There could be something about maybe looking at markers adds some reassurance to us both if we are not seeing them so much as actually that's a way of picking up. | |
| 25. ‘Oh that'll be me (laughs) … Because there is nobody else, [consultant]'s not always here all the time’ (CNS1) | |
| 26. ‘if there's a cohort are going across to this rather than coming to clinic, its having a bit of time in clinic and just sort of discussing those who have highlighted some concerns and then just planning around you know what it is we need to doing.’ (Consultant 2) | |
| 27. ‘Think probably initially it would have to be looked at by a nurse or a doctor, initially, until we got the flow of it. But it may be that you could have a band 3 that could triage it with guidelines’ (CNS5) | |
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| 28. ‘I do not know if I was seriously worried about it I would make an appointment to see the consultant straight away. |
| 29. ‘I think you would be putting advice on about you know “if you experience this symptom have you contacted your GP? Or your clinical nurse specialist”, you could point them in the direction of, you could have a list of symptoms and say “if you are experiencing these then you do need to ring up and make an appointment to be seen” … My overarching thing would be “if you are concerned, regardless of what's on what's said here, you must ring up and ask” because I've had patients that say “well it said that was normal, I've read my book” and they have not done anything about it, so I think you have got to be very careful because people can be very literal and if it says I might feel like this, then it says so I'm fine’ (CNS2) | |
| Barriers to ePRO monitoring | |
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| 30. ‘I was just wondering whether or not, because a 50 year old who does it all day at work is a very different animal to a 75 year old who does not, who might do it a bit. So for that group whether or not when they get registered, [research nurse] and co and the research team whether or not they do their baseline there and then with them so they know what it's like’ (Consultant 3) |
| 31. ‘I just would not want to do it but I'm not that good with the internet to rely on it or I would be deleting something that I should not have done and no, it would not be for me at all.’ (PT07) | |
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| 32. ‘I think it just takes away that personal touch completely, it just seems to be the way that everything's moving you know, other erm, other industries as well. It's just, with something like that do we really want to go down that route? I do not know, if I'm honest with you.’ (PT02) |
| 33. ‘I think it is about knowing that there is a person at the end and that they get some feedback and that they might just need a couple of personal lines afterwards, so say “look [name] I've just looked at your blood tests and the scans and everything's alright. I've looked at all the information you have given us”.’ (Consultant 4) | |
| 34. ‘and sell it as, you know, this allows you to continue working, it allows you to access it at any time, I'm assuming they can access it and put symptoms in at any time, but it's there. You know, if you are not sure and you do not particularly want to ring up you have got this or if you want to ring up you still can ring up. I think it's about just giving them the positivity's of it, but delivering it as a fait accompli.’ (CNS5) | |
| Proposed impact of ePRO monitoring | |
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| 35. ‘I think in the long term the strengths would be we would not have as many patients coming in to be reviewed and, therefore, we would have the time to do holistic end of treatment reviews and signpost and look at survivorship more. I think it would allow the clinics to be quieter giving more time to concentrate on the patients that absolutely need input here and now.’ (CNS5) |
| 36. ‘So a certain level of incremental change above their previous values as triggers to someone looking at that case and contacting the patient or what have you. Versus a person looking at the results of every screening intervention.’ (Consultant 1) | |
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| 37. ‘I guess it's saying that really, if at 6 o'clock after tea you want to do your questionnaire and stuff, it's not saying I have to be with us at half past 9 on a Tuesday, it's fitting in around all of them’ (Consultant 2) |
| 38. ‘I think it would be more efficient and more effective than the current seeing everybody at once, I think it would give patients better control, and feel they are in control of their own disease really.’ (CNS1) | |
| 39. ‘we have picked up things that are not right when patients will come in and say they are absolutely wonderful. I have patients that come to clinic whose family have rung me and said “Mums due to come to clinic a week on Tuesday. She's really not right but she'll tell you she's okay”. Now if you were on straight forward telephone thing, are those patients, I'm just suggesting, are those patients going to slip under the radar?’ (CNS2) | |
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| 40. ‘it sounds good because it is nice to know that you could ask somebody and you'd get a reply quite quickly, you know. If it was something you did not want to bother your consultant about because it wasn't worth bothering them about. That would be very reassuring, you know, that does sound good.’ (PT15) |
| 41. ‘It's just using our service differently is not it? Instead of picking up that phone and saying [nurse] I've got this problem, it'll come to us electronically.’ (CNS4) | |
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| 42. ‘I think that'd be really helpful, you know, if I put some symptoms down and say look I'm having a bit of a problem with this, and then I can go in later and say, actually those symptoms were only there for so many days, and I've not had them since, then that'd make me feel better knowing that I've cleared up that problem, it's fine, it's gone, and at that point in time I'm telling you that I'm fine. So if I could go in and add further comments then the previous comments are not relevant anymore, it's gone and I've not had those symptoms ever again, it just keeps up‐to‐date how I feel on an ongoing basis.’ (PT6) |
| 43. ‘I would not be reporting anything on the system. And I can understand where you are coming from, there again I do write everything down … if I had anything at all, I would ring straight to the hospital, the line that I've been given, the helpline … I would tell you if I wasn't so you know, they would know because this is getting me into the internet again which I do not want.’ (PT7) | |
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| 44. ‘So for myself the first 12 months I'd rather have that appointment, because let us face it it's only, what is it, four times in a year, so it's not a big upheaval, but after that I think it's more a case of you get back to your normal routine of going to work, which does not include going to hospital anymore, it becomes more normal. And I think the online one that would bring more normality to people's lives, being able to do that.’ (PT6) |
FIGURE 2Key recommendations for ePRO follow‐up use