| 1. Patients treated with dialysis as a vulnerable population | 1.1 “Our patients are sick there’s no doubt about it. The (in particular) end stage renal patients are very sick individuals with very high morbidity and mortality and I think there’s a true concern . . . more experimentation may lead to worse outcome for a population that’s already quite sick.” HE005, Clinical investigator, USA
1.2 “So they can go from being on haemodialysis to peritoneal dialysis to receiving a transplant. There’s a number of competing risks that might impact the probability of observing endpoints so they’re it’s just a very complex group of patients that will require more complex methodology I suspect.” HE015, Methodologist, Canada
1.3 “Because I think [First Nation’s] needs are very different from other people’s needs and I think they’re often very disenfranchised and their physical vulnerability enhances their social vulnerability and they feed into each other and they’re in this vicious cycle that they can’t get out of. And so I think in Canada there’s enormous obligations especially since kidney disease is so disproportionately prevalent in the First Nations population.” HE006, Clinical investigator, Switzerland
1.4 “([patients) in a highly, highly vulnerable situation are judged all the time for dialysis. They are constantly being told; you don’t eat this, don’t eat that. Don’t drink too much water . . . They get a lecture from every Tom, Dick and Harry that they come across in that dialysis unit every single time . . . And then I think they would probably feel that . . . because they get judged as bad patients and get labelled quite quickly, . . . I would imagine that there is not that much freedom to decline because they would then feel this is another thing that’s going to label me as a bad patient.” HE006, Clinical investigator, Switzerland
1.5 “So for example, unlike cardiovascular disease trials where there’s an acute event, usually, and . . . They appreciate that they’re very sick and they’re very motivated to be in any trial that might improve their outcomes. In dialysis trials patients are generally doing okay with their dialysis. The ones who are doing okay have been sick enough once in their life at least to know that they don’t want to rock the boat if you will and participate in any research that might rock the boat and make them sick. The ones who are not doing well and who are sick say that they don’t want to do research studies because they don’t want to get sicker . . . . But the perception I get is that they are reluctant to participate in research studies because they don’t think that it will benefit them.” HE003, Knowledge user, Canada |
| 2. Appropriate approaches to informed consent | 2.1 “We may want to consider things like cognitive ability because as patients get older, there’s the potential for the onset of cognitive impairment through dementia and whatnot. So those may be things to consider in terms of eligibility that when in a pragmatic trial if you’re just trying to reach everyone that can complicate things in terms of being able to recruit them into the study and have them understand their care.” HE015, Methodologist, Canada
2.2 “Well I think patients need to be informed. I think they definitely need to be informed and I don’t know how much they are really explained all this when they get on to dialysis. And then I think a lot of these patients are elderly. They’re sick, they might be explained things before dialysis, during dialysis they might have an event low blood pressure, you know, even fainting and things like that. Who knows if they even remember after the dialysis what the conversation was and why they signed consent.” HE006, Clinical investigator, Switzerland
2.3. “In [STUDY] they’re going to get individual consent because although the current management is not evidence-based actually they are deviating from what is standard care . . . So as a result, because people will be treated in a way that varies from the general standard, they felt they needed to get individual consent. And how they do that may be an expedited approach using consent via tablets or other approaches that sort of reduce the burden. Because it could be very, very time consuming and you’re talking about a large number of patients.” HE008, Knowledge User, USA
2.4 “I think with cluster randomized trials basically you’re trying not to recruit participants specifically or at least . . . the implementation of the intervention doesn’t necessarily depend on the patient agreeing to have the intervention. If the patient needs to agree to take part, then probably you’ve lost your advantage of not needing consent because then you’re going to have to go to the patient and explain it anyways . . . But if it’s truly a cluster RCT then basically the reason to do that is because it’s a lot easier to get patients into a trial because you don’t need to recruit them so to speak. They will just be naturally selected because they’re already in that primary care practice or in that dialysis unit.” HE007, Clinical Investigator, Canada
2.5 “I’ve heard that a lot of people will say oh they want to do a cluster randomization trial to avoid patient level consent (laugh) which is kind of something that maybe isn’t communicated effectively enough or it could just be that people don’t have the experience with cluster trials. Because you read any of the textbooks or articles and it obviously squashes that myth. But I am always surprised when I hear that kind of perspective that well it’s a cluster trial so that we wouldn’t need patient level consent and that is definitely not true.” HE015, Methodologist, Canada |
| 3. Research burdens | 3.1 “[T]his is a patient population that’s got a huge treatment burden. There’s probably no other condition out there that requires people to attend hospital for or centres for up to 15 hours/week just to stay alive. And so that is a massive burden on the individuals involved and it does mean that we need to think very carefully when we’re trying to impose any additional burden on them. It also means that they are likely to be very reluctant to accept any additional burden related to trials. The sort of things that we typically do in terms of creating an entirely parallel universe of data collection and analysis is arguably in most circumstances inappropriate in patients who are on dialysis. And I’d argue is probably unethical . . . .” HE002, Clinical investigator, Australia
3.2 “And not just to them [patient] but also to their relatives and all their carers who we impact in small ways . . . [T]ake dialysis patients for example: they are in hospital three days per week anyway. If they come for a research study it might well be that they have to take an extra day off work or that their partner or carer has to do the school run on a fourth day of the week which affects their work.” HE004, Clinical investigator, UK
3.3 “And so I think they [patients] see how much the staff are busy and going from place to place and patient to patient, answering the phone and all that sort of thing. And, you know, the message that we got is that the patients are very, very observant of the environment and they see that the staff are just rushing around all the time. And unless there is something serious they don’t like to ask about anything . . . . a lot of them feel that they don’t want to be a burden.” HE004, Clinical investigator, UK
3.4 “[W]hen you embed research into clinical care delivery, in a way, it’s more respectful of the participants’ needs and limited time available. So by embedding research you’re reducing the burden to patients of having to go to separate study visits.” HE001, Clinical investigator, USA
3.5 “So I think pragmatic trials with minimal follow up visits are good because they help to ensure that you’re going to get the primary outcome in all your participants because you don’t get burden of follow up visits contributing to your dropouts.” HE003, Knowledge user, Canada
3.6 “[T]he other thing is about research fatigue for patients ultimately . . . I think the number of research questions being asked of that population is not slowing down and it’s quite fatiguing for patients from a research point of view. And some of the projects are fairly low impact. They might be questionnaire studies or observational studies where they just consent and then it’s followed up, the results are followed up through registry. But I think there’s quite a lot we ask a lot of our patients and I think there’s research fatigue.” HE004, Clinical investigator, UK
3.7 “. . . how many competing trials can you have within one health system without breaking it? While still maximizing benefits for everybody involved will require lots of collaboration among lots of different groups of researchers who may or may not have traditionally worked together before or at least acknowledged each other’s similar trials or different trials. So I think it will be a paradigm shift in the way these trials may be delivered within health systems and will require a fair amount of governance and oversight.” HE005, Clinical investigator, USA |
| 4. Roles and responsibilities of gatekeepers | 4.1 “I think in our system it [key stakeholder buy in] would be the medical clinic director—well first off, the primary care leadership. So we embedded that initial trial in two different primary care clinics within a network of about 12 different clinics, and so making sure that the Chief Medical Officer for the primary care clinic network was onboard as well as his or her group or C3 leadership; followed by the individual Medical Directors of the individual clinics and those Medical Directors worked as a team with quality improvement directors and the Chief Nursing Officer and just the clinic operations leadership. So, we needed buy-in from both of those levels and once we had buy-in from those levels then we presented to the physicians and presented to the staff and it was more just to make sure everybody was onboard once we had the clinical leadership.” HE005, Clinical investigator, USA
4.2 “Because you can’t do any trials in the hospital without the approval of the hospital and, and they won’t give that to you unless—they won’t give that to you if there’s some increase in cost to them . . . So, we had to negotiate with them how we would come up with the funds and so on and so forth. And so, I can’t remember all the logistics of what we finally came up with but we did come up with some hybrid model where the study would provide some funds and industry would provide some other funds and so on and so forth and we did do that. But if we didn’t come up with that solution the trial wouldn’t have run at our centre.” HE003, Knowledge user, Canada
4.3 “And again sometimes if doctors feel that a certain thing is a bit too time consuming because sometimes in private units it’s very time sensitive and so if a study took an extra 30 minutes and delayed the next patient by 30 minutes or somehow impacted your workflow, probably private units would be less likely to join” HE006, Clinical investigator, Switzerland
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| 4.4 “But the entire area of kidney disease and the study of kidney disease is greatly distorted by the large dialysis providers and by pharma. And those are real challenges. I think one of the ways of pushing back is to have publicly funded large pragmatic trials to really test some of these things, but it’s still a challenge to do those. And for dialysis it’s, it’s tricky. Because that the priorities of the large dialysis organizations are just really different” HE008, Knowledge user, USA |
| 5. Inequities in access to research | 5.1 “. . . but actually dialysis care is pretty protocolized . . . And so standard care [within one institution] is pretty standard if you want the honest answer . . . if you’re looking [across institutions] at care bundles for example: if you go to ten different centres for managing that [a fistula] is going to be different in all centres.” HE004, Clinical investigator, UK
5.2. “One is their access to trials because of the way again dialysis services are all set up in the UK, which is probably not unique to the UK, but we tend to have hospital-based dialysis units, satellite and community units and the further you are away from an academic centre the less likely if you’re a dialysis patient that you are to have access to taking part in clinical trials . . . And the further you move away from that university teaching hospital environment . . . then the ability or the opportunity to enrol in clinical trials is just less.” HE004, Clinical investigator, UK
5.3 “[I]n my view every dialysis patient or every patient with a condition should be offered access to trials out there and I think that’s not happening for a large proportion, particularly of the dialysis patients. And partly that relates to capacity and workforce at the centres involved, but also interest of the clinicians.” HE002, Clinical investigator, Australia
5.4 “So I think this issue of . . . what the effects of the trial conduct are on other aspects of care that are not being studied in the trial or, you know, patients who are not even in the trial may be getting less attention because all the effort’s going into implementing the trial.” HE001, Clinical investigator, USA |
| 6. Advocacy for patient-centered-research and outcomes | 6.1 “I think the other thing that would be really helpful is to have a way to get greater input from people on dialysis . . . and that hasn’t really existed to date, I think. So growing that would be really helpful.” HE002, Clinical investigator, Australia
6.2 “I think one of the issues is the idea of public engagement—the idea of studying things that are important to the patients. And generating questions with the patients. It’s not only about physical survival but a huge amount in dialysis is about quality of life and how they feel their dignity is maintained or respected. How they can still feel meaningful contributors to society and all that kind of thing. And so often for patients you wonder are they that interested in all these minutiae (meaning blood levels etc.) or would they rather have something else that’s going to make them feel more human on some level. So, I think just from the ground up, rather than top down studies and study design is probably important especially since these patients are so knowledgeable about themselves and their disease, the treatment and everything.” HE006, Clinical investigator, Switzerland
6.3 “And we’ve also found that in some cases patients will identify outcomes that we would have never considered that are important to them. So it might be things like, if I’m hospitalized with it what would be my time and how many days would I be stuck in hospital? Which actually is an important question from a Ministry perspective because every day that you’re in hospital can be quite expensive. But that’s what the patient wants to know. “ HE015, Methodologist, Canada
6.4 “The issue about surrogate outcomes: I don’t know if there’s specific ethical issues except to say that a lot of times people do the surrogate outcome trial and based on the surrogate outcome something becomes the standard of care and then it’s no longer eligible to be tested in a proper trial looking at hard outcomes because there’s no longer equipoise. So if the surrogate outcome is not going to be followed up with a trial looking at least at quality of life or one hard outcome or some outcome that’s important to patients, then I’m not sure that we need that trial.” HE003, Knowledge user, Canada
6.5 “. . . if you have more technology-based or EHR-based trials the desire is often to get EHR-based data as a primary outcome . . . . I think the concern is not a lot of patient reported outcomes are embedded in the EHR.” HE005, Clinical investigator, USA |