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Influence on the encounter
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Preparation
Patients-web app
• “[I liked] the opportunity to explain symptoms
or issues . . . they’re in a fairly big hurry trying to get
through . . . ”
• “There’s some people who cannot just simply
express themselves well when they are in front of the
doctor. Sometimes they have a tendency to just prioritize
what is the most important information they said because a
doctor, they don’t normally hang out with you that long. In
those cases, online communication is pretty good because you
can express yourself well..”
• “Well, like when it came to the fact that I
was uh if I’m at home and I notice something that I forgot
to ask the doctor while he was in, then I was able to send
it to him and then he would get a chance to read it. So, I
found it very beneficial for me, because I have memory
issues.”
• “What’s nice is it’s easy – it was easy to
use. The only – and the good thing was, it does register
what your concerns are and you have a copy of it. Type of
thing. So from that standpoint, it’s good. Your concerns, I
don’t think, they can’t get lost type of thing.”
• “Yeah, sure. Yeah. Because I do have a concern
actually whether I’m on the transplant list or not now, so
uh I didn’t even realize that this doctor would know
that..As it is now, I don’t even know what to ask the
doctor, because I’m not sure exactly where his work begins
when another Nephrologist starts. Because there’s so many
different people . . . ” |
| Patients-paper
• “Yes. I think it is easier. Yeah. I think it’s
a way easier and sometimes I think when we talk, like doctor
might not really know what I want to ask, so I think it’s
better write down first.”
• “[caregiver]The questions were there. It
guided you the right way plus the fact we had the paper
allowed us to if we had a question and it wasn’t a dialysis
day, we could write it down so we wouldn’t forget it.”
[Patient] I like that idea because I am such a slow person,
okay? And I enjoy that.”
• “Yes, every week. I didn’t necessarily have
something for the doctor every week. But at least you
reviewed all of the – all the pages dealt with the different
series of questions, so it was thorough that way and you
could go over all the pages to make sure that you covered
everything, in advance.”
• “Mmmm. No, I think it’s [paper forms] a good
idea. It increases communication and allows you to consider
what your situation more frequently, so I think it’s a good
thing.”
• “And again, it also kind of reminds you to ask
certain questions because when you don’t have anything in
front of you, it’s kind of trying to regurgitate all this
stuff you’re trying to remember and sometimes you forget
stuff and sometimes you don’t even know that you can even
discuss certain things with the doctor, so there are things
on there like, kidney treatment or treatment in general, and
other stuff you can talk to the doctor about that I wasn’t
aware of you could even do so, it’s [the form] kind of an
eye opener as well. From the patient’s standpoint.”
• “Yeah, because that [using the forms] let me
know more or less how I could talk to him. Like – because
there’s a lot of stuff I sort of ignore but reading those,
then I know I can ask him or whatever.”
• “I found [using the paper forms] very helpful,
actually. And I got more information than
usual.” |
| Nephrologists
• “But it also, I guess, changed my interaction
with how – when I saw – when there was a patient who had a
problem, that kind of became a focus of “I’m here to answer
this question” or to address it. And you might do so and you
– it allowed me to think about things before actually
talking to the patient and some were a miscommunication
issue. Which might – I mean, it might have gone the same
way, but I just found it useful to know the question ahead
of time. And sometimes you could address the – so sometimes
if you went to the patient and asked them what their problem
was and it would take them a while to come up with the
answer. And then you’d get the question but then you’d need
to do further background work to figure out what the answer
would be or what the next step should be. This way, you had
it ahead of time and you could check something on the
computer or do whatever and then you could resolve it right
then and there. So yeah.”
• “Useless. Useless as you can get. It [the web
app] makes uh takes a lot of time and patients don’t get it
at all. They just don’t know how to use it . . . They did –
they don’t do it. Period . . . One of the patient’s phone
fell through. The other was extremely frustrated because
each time she had problems to log in . . . and the other one
was fine but he never voiced a concern on the web app and
when I was rounding, there was tons of concerns.”
• “So, the ones that were on the web app, they
are not web app people. They are not computer people. If I
had maybe younger patients who have higher education level
and more money to use these devices, maybe that would be
easier. Right? But the population that I have, they are
people – they are simple people and I don’t think they have
enough knowledge or resources to be proficient in the web
app. At least – I can give you an example. One of them had a
phone and the phone was broken the majority of times so he
couldn’t even log in, right?”
• “I don’t know. I didn’t really see the value
in the paper form for sure. The web app? Sure, that would be
handy, but I just – I don’t know. Patients didn’t seem to
find any value in it, so . . . ”
• “The thought behind it was that the patients
would enter this data before they came. Some of them did it
literally a few minutes before they were hooked on or
something like that. I thought, because their concerns were
– an hour ago I was not feeling well, or something like
that. Or “I was not feeling well this morning” or “I don’t
want to do dialysis today” so . . . It’s – I don’t
understand if that is what the aim of the web app is.
Because the aim of the web app was to facilitate concerns
which are ongoing to not be addressed. These are too – these
are too small or too current . . . For the web app to change
anything.” |
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Efficiency
Patients (web app only)
• “Umm, I think it just speeds up the uh, like
speeds up the interaction, umm, you know, knowing when the
doctor comes to see you he already knows your
concern.”
• “He was – it’s quicker for him to respond to
my questions because he already knows what they are. So he’s
given time to read over and either diagnose or switch
medications. Whatever is necessary. And it probably takes a
lot of stress off of the doctor, as well. You know, like
when it comes to questions and stuff like that, he doesn’t
have to remember so much because if he reads it, then he
troubleshoots it then and then when he comes in here, we
talk about it, then we troubleshoot it further, if needed.
So, I found that it was very useful in those ways.”
• “Definitely. In a huge way. As soon as um as
soon as the doctor came in, he knew immediately why he was
stopping in to see me, which I really, really liked, and we
dealt with it and it was a done deal. Life was great. I
loved it. I thought it was fantastic. Yes.”
• “As I said to you before, I wish this was set
in stone right across the board for all medical staff. I
thought it was wonderful. I would love nothing more than to
see this with the – my G.P., with my cardiologist, with
every other doctor. I find it saves a lot of time . . .
”
• “It was easy to use. It was fine. It was
redundant because the charge nurse still asks if I have
anything for the doctor and I never really knew if the
doctor read my concerns and actually many times, I saw the
doctor pull up the app and read my concerns standing next to
me. So I think it’s redundant and didn’t really make
communicating any easier. I liked the idea of it, that they
would already know what the issue was coming in that day,
and being prepared for it in some way.” |
| Nephrologists
• “It’s [the web app] time consuming; you have
to log in, the devices are not working, it takes time to
load stuff. During that time, I could have learned the
patient’s issue immediately. Right? While rounding on the
patient and asking the patient directly, what do you need?
Right? I don’t want to spend 10 minutes to log in and stuff
because I can directly help people during these 10
minutes.”
• “ . . . Now, the downside to that [directing
concerns to the physician] is, there are lots of issues that
are triaged by nurses that are appropriately triaged by
nurses that as a Nephrologist you don’t ever have to hear
about. But the nurses tell people, you know, “Look. You
really need to go see your family doctor about that.” Or,
“Your toothache? I’m sorry, that’s not something your
Nephrologist can help you with.” Or, you know, this x, y, or
z. You know. I don’t know. This falls under the category of
unintended consequences then, too. There is a value to
having an experienced charge nurse appropriately triage
issues that are or are not relevant. And an experienced
charge nurse can do that very well.”
• “Actually, I think um I think the paper form
was a real hindrance because sometimes the patients would
feel that they write it on the paper and then so they don’t
have to tell the charge nurse that they want to talk to me.
And that actually makes things twice as hard. I think the
paper is not very useful and in terms of to help change the
way I interact with the patient no, because usually, either
way, I know ahead of time, either from the charge nurse or
from the app what the patient wanted. The paper actually
made it more work because then I had to go and seek it
out.”
• “I just had to go more often to the patient,
just because they were in the study . . . And every time you
go to a patient, they would bring up concerns which were not
recorded.”
• “ . . . Currently, it’s [communication] all
fragmented. That’s why having an extra system is sort of
helpful but not really kind of thing. I think if it’s all
linked together and if the patients have a concern, it’s
actually recorded there..” |
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Personalizing the encounter
Patients-Web app
• “And it was more like, it was personal for
you, when they showed you how to type it out and you know,
even the doctor would know what my issue was and then talk
to me about it, instead of having him come to me and tell me
my issue . . . ”
• “Ahh yeah. I liked the fact that I was
involved in it, that was very good, and I think if I had
more issues, it would become even more helpful.”
• “I found it useful. I got to – I got results
from the questions I asked and all-in-all, I think it’s
something that should be out there all the time, to be
honest.”
• “ . . . I like the privacy that I’m getting
because I don’t have to discuss it with multiple people. I
want this in effect immediately.” |
| Patients-Paper
• “Um I liked the fact that you got to explain
something if he would have the chance to look at it. The
nurse condenses it, I’m sure, make it fit in her little
space on her sheet, whereas this way you got to expand on
what you needed to say.”
• “I just found that he spent quite a bit of
time with me rather than going on to the next patient. So, I
liked that . . . He also noticed when I had a good idea and
he would um agree with it.” |
| Nephrologists
• “I found them [web app and paper] pretty clear
and easy to use. I guess my question would be – is how do
patients feel? Like because really, it’s a mechanism for
them to address their concerns to me. I found that straight
forward from a receiving end. What I would know less about
if it was a reasonable form for the patients if they got
things across clearly? Yes, there was a fair amount on that
paper form for them to look at, so I’m not sure how they
feel about that. I mean, I found it you can kind of just
really quickly skim through it as the rounding physician. I
don’t know what they thought of it, but . . .
• “ . . . sometimes it’s helpful and hear from
the patient’s perspective rather than the charge nurse
telling me what the problem is. Yeah, that would be sort of
the only thing that would be a real good part of
this.”
• “No, I was expecting maybe there might be some
super-confidential questions they ask me. They didn’t. But
that doesn’t mean anything because maybe at that time, that
month, they didn’t have that issue. So, I can’t say. I can’t
rule out the fact that in this way, maybe we get more
confidential or personal questions. I don’t know. But there
wasn’t any.”
• “Right. So, there are trade-offs to – to
having the nursing staff be involved in screening the
concerns. Right? And it happens all the time that patients
say, “You know, look. I have something personal” you know,
and where the nurse says, “Yeah, Mr. x or y wants to talk to
you. They wouldn’t tell me what it was. They said it was,
you know, they just needed to talk to you.” And then it’s
usually something that, you know, like they just want to
keep private and then that’s fine. That happens all the
time. I mean, people make that happen. Patients make that
happen. I suppose, you know, we’d be missing a small
proportion of people who don’t feel comfortable empowering
themselves to tell the nurse, “I need to talk to the doctor
and no, I’m not going to tell you what it is.” Then that
would be – and then the app would make that more anonymous
if that’s the case. Do I think that’s a big population? No.
Do I really think that’s a big problem? No.” |
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Contextual factors influencing adoption
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I already had the doctor coming around
Patients (web app only)
• “It [the web app] was just one more thing to
remember to do. But again, it’s unrealistic, depending on
where you’re planning to use it. In a setting like this
where the doctors make rounds, my goodness, you know, it’s
just one more thing that they have to do that you wouldn’t
have to do normally. Does that make sense?”
• “Not really. Because I don’t have any issues .
. . I prefer to – to talk to him directly, right? It’s more
easier that way because uh when you send a message, people
can interpret it so many ways, you know what I’m saying? So,
I’d much rather talk to him directly. That’s my own
preference, though.”
• “Yeah. That would be great. Do it quickly.
[laughs] It’s [the web app] is needed. It’s really needed.
Especially for the night time people that don’t get to see a
doctor that often . . . ”
• “Sometimes people didn’t see the time urgency
as much as I did. So there was kind of – they call that – I
don’t know, somebody would make a decision that it [my
concern] wasn’t like important.” |
| Nephrologists
• “..I think that because patients are in the
in-centre unit, they are rounded on, again, once or twice a
week by a physician, they’re constantly seen by bedside
nurse, clinical resource nurse every treatment, so they
already have very good access to practitioners so an
incremental thing, just is another step they’re not really
incrementally gaining much benefit . . . ”
• “But you know, to be quite honest with you,
because their communication here is so good um I don’t think
anything was gained from this form of communication at
all.” |
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Reciprocal action
Patients (web app only)
• “I wasn’t sure if my [web app] comments were
just going off into the ether for the first while. But at
the last couple weeks the physician who was doing rounds,
clearly had read the comments I’d made. So, if they do their
bit and we do our bit, I think it’s good.”
• “Yes [I’m interested in continuing to use the
web app], as long as the doctor came and said, “I read your
comments” so I know that he’s actually looking at the
program and reading the comments from patients. That’s a
positive.”
• “If I saw that the doctors were paying
attention to it before my dialysis run would be great. And
if it somehow got rid of the redundant overlap between the
app and the charge nurse asking me if I needed anything that
day.”
• “I would have loved it if the doctor would
have actually brought the tablet with him. Right? Like that
was never – I wish they had just brought the tablet with
them. Like when he’s doing it then you would know, right?
Because he would say, what was your concern? I’m like, I
don’t know. I can’t remember. Well, you couldn’t remember
sometimes, eh? I’m like I can’t remember what I wanted to
ask you because I wrote it down for you. I don’t know, go
get the tablet!”
• “..and some of them [physicians] had
difficulty with um I don’t know if it was logging in or
getting the generating their list of patients, because I
would hear them complain about well, I can’t get into the
app and you know, who’s supposed to actually be on it this
week, and stuff like that.”
• “It was uh you know, I’ve watched the doctors
using it and I think they probably have more concerns
getting used to it [laughs] . . . it’s [unclear] what I
think. [laughs] |
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We know these patients so well
Nephrologists
• “So the key thing for us, absolutely not. I
think it [the web app] made absolutely no difference at all
. . . The fact that we round and interact with our patients
every shift, I think they are very comfortable in telling us
what they need to tell us.”
• “They – you know, we know these patients so
well that when they see me, they right away know what they
want to say. Even if there are issues that they wouldn’t
mention on the web app. It’s just – I don’t know. They are
more communicative when they see me directly. And I know
them well, so I know which questions to ask them,
right?
• “Ahh, you know, we’re – I see it as a barrier
to communication more than anything. Well, so people write
these things, present them, put them on a computerized
interface. I mean, that in itself is one step that puts you
away from your patient, and it also takes time. . . . Like
this is – you know, I mean, you just need to walk through
the dialysis unit to know that sometimes our patients don’t
communicate very well at all and we actually have to use our
intuition to figure out what’s going on. This is high level
reporting.” |
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The user experience
| Patients (web app only)
• “..what I didn’t like about the web app and
that would be the limited opportunities I had to voice
questions to write in questions. Twice a week, I thought was
not sufficient enough due to the fact that we have um as
dialysis patients, different issues pop up. And I could have
maybe none for one week and not really need to use it. Or I
could end up having say, 10 different issues at 10 different
opportunities and only have two opportunities to use it. So
I didn’t appreciate that . . . ”
• “Yeah, and I never knew if the doctor had read
it in advance it would be nice for some indication. A
checkmark or something showing that a doctor had read my
concern.”
• “I think it [the web app] needs to evolve a
little bit more. It’d be nice to have more of our info on
there for us to look at, you know, like our blood pressures
and stuff. Yes, I think our blood pressures would be nice to
have on there. Our weights. For us to see. Because we don’t
always remember, right? Coming in or going out. Because you
do not always feel that good afterwards, so . . . ”
• “Yeah. So that was something, something would
have an app that you would be able to enter the bloodwork or
see your, some information on tests or transplant
information, or even just some educational nutrition
stuff.”
• “You know, like your bloodwork and things.
Instead of getting that hard copy it would be nice if it
would just kind of went to the – as part of the Web App,
then you could look it up. Especially if other people such
as the dietitian starts getting involved, or – or the
exercise lady, here. Different things like that. Depending
on how much you – you know, make it available . . .
”
• “I don’t know what else. If I could put in
specific concerns about my last run or about runs in general
or how things are being managed. In like a private sort of
way.”
• “Well, to be able to talk to other patients
[through the app] because it’s so . . . Well, I think that’s
really important because you know, we get a little bit from
the doctors. The nurses vary in their opinions and you
always seem to have a different one. Yeah. I think for a lot
of us, it would be really helpful to be able to talk to each
other. Yeah. That support’s really needed.”
• “Um. Maybe um scheduling. Like if I could
change my schedule through it. Or if maybe there was an
early machine one day, the app could alert me that I could
come in early for that machine. Like the nurses sometimes
do.” |
| Nephrologists
• “And the other thing is, you know, having a
web app where you had to log in every time is kind of not
that convenient. I mean, I can understand the privacy issues
. . . I mean, these technologies are out there, so I guess,
that’s the case. I look at it on my face and it opens up, so
that would make things much, much easier.”
• “The user interface has to be easy to use that
is stream alerts to either email or text message so I don’t
have to check a separate application for specific
information. The web app on the patient’s side has to
respect interprofessional care so it can’t be just notifying
a nephrologist about everything. It has to be notifying a
member of the care team. So what we’re trying to encourage
in dialysis in our unit is that patients are part of a team,
not just a nephrologist. So if there are specific
nephrologist issues it should be directed to the
nephrologist, but a lot of times, many of the issues
identified in the app would stream to the nephrologist and
they should be going to other members of the team.”
• “ . . . to make this really useful, uh I think
that this has to be better integrated into EMRs and uh it
has to be uh team based and involve more team members than
just the physician and the patient.” |