| A. Mental health patient management is a challenge in terms of balancing efficiency, security, patient care |
There’s a different approach you have to take and especially with mental health, definitely a type of emotional attention… A lot of times just being in the ED it’s because you’re balancing some of the other patients, it’s hard to give that emotional attention. I find it difficult the line between having to clear the patient medically and then also being helpful and therapeutic for the actual mental health problem difficult. [Doctor 1] It’s not necessarily difficult to deal with, but it’s very, very time consuming. If you’re doing a ten hour night shift and you’ve got four patients and one of them is a mental health patient who is scheduled and can’t leave, and you get busy with your three medical type patients – normally we’ll have security there, but even so you don’t really know how much of an eye security is keeping on them- and you never know what they might get up when you’re not there watching them. [Nurse 1] I think one minute they say we shouldn’t tolerate any aggression then on the other side, we’ve got to accept and try and tolerate these sorts of people with aggression because it’s a patient…And the amount of security is that – some of the guys are useful, but some of them are not really used to doing any physical restraining and that’s really hard. [Nurse 8] |
| B. Defensive practice of medicine |
Whereas if you have one of our doctors who sees a patient and – a lot of the time a lot of it can be kind of arse covering…If they have a suspicion that this person might go off and do something that they may be culpable in the long run they won’t hesitate to say ‘Uphold the section. Refer them on to MHEC [mental health emergency care]’. And, then this person who might just be having some sort of situational crisis and said a few things that they didn’t mean…they end up spending eight hours in ED waiting for a plan. [Nurse 1] Not many doctors are willing to do them [form 1] because once they revoke them, they then have to deal with if that person goes out and does something to themselves or others. So, not many clinicians will actually do the form 1 or are willing to do it in our department. [Nurse 8] The big problem is afterhours...in the middle of the night are you going to let someone go home that’s just come in and said I don’t feel safe to be at home? No, you’re not. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a mental health trained person or not, you’ve got to think about patient safety at the end of the day. We’ve got a duty of care, regardless of whether you’re mental health or not. [Nurse 5] |
| C. Inappropriateness of ED in mental health patient management |
They [patients] feel that, just being in the ED and with the ED it makes them worse. It’s a lot of waiting for things. It’s hard to avoid. [Doctor 1] And it makes it hard for the rest of the department because there’s kids in there, there’s elderly, they have to hear all this yelling and the abuse, you know the screaming and also if the patient is scared, they’ve got to listen to all that and I don’t think it’s healthy for them too. [Nurse 8] 19-year-old girl who breaks up with her boyfriend and then locks herself in the bathroom and threatens to kill herself- when you have a full department and no beds and nowhere to put anyone, and you’ve been flogged all night, and then that person comes in with police screaming their head off and carrying on, that makes me kind of roll my eyes a little bit and just go ‘Do I really have to?’ [Nurse 1] |
| D. Views of safe room in ED |
If I had my way, I would always keep – anyone who you’re even a little bit suspicious about kind of suicidal/homicidal, anything at all - I would always keep them in the mental health room, because there’s nothing in there that you can fiddle with, you know. [Nurse 1] I think more isolation rooms would probably be quite useful and just that sort of privacy…I feel like they still like a bit of confidentiality. [Doctor 2] It is a suitable room to have a private conversation with someone. I think that all the mental health patients should be going in there…But when you’re on a bed you’ve got no privacy. [Nurse 3] It still is effectively two gym mats that you’re sleeping on in a safe assessment room. So to have patients unnecessarily in there overnight…because of staffing issues …I think that’s pretty poor that we don’t have something better. [Nurse 2] A lot of the time after hours I just park them in there, [thinking] I’m too busy…Because you’re in there and you’re behind, you’re not in the visual field, you do sometimes get forgotten. [Nurse 5] I’ve had a lot of patients; they feel like they’re in prison in that room. [Doctor 1] |
| E. Breadth of mental health and the issues it creates with triage of mental health patients |
Generally, a lot of things are triaged now as mental health... I had a patient yesterday which had an acute behavioural disturbance, but it was in the context of intellectual disabilities and it really wasn’t a mental health presentation at all, but that’s what they triaged as and it still warrants that assessment. [Nurse 2] So if you’ve got someone who’s 70 years old, has never had a psychiatric history, no recent trauma, and they’re presenting in a confused, perplexed, acute sort of phase, most people go, “Oh, it’s metal health because they’re seeing things, they’re hearing things”, but nine times out of ten it’s a delirium. [Nurse 2] The umbrella of mental health is big. The umbrella of drug and alcohol is big…you’ve just got a bit of anxiety, but in the big scheme of things you fall under the same umbrella and have to be treated exactly the same, where you need a lot more resources than what you do. [Nurse 5] |
| F. Limitations of current referral pathways and limited after hours support |
Because they’re all private… we can direct admit people from ED to there if we have an accepting doctor, and then our ward doctor, the ward doctor from this hospital, will go and review patients in that unit. [Nurse 1] Because Community [mental health] only work 9:00 to 5:00 type hours. It’s all afterhours stuff that it gets a bit tricky. [Nurse 1] …there’s a period of time when there’s no cover and then the evening person comes on. [Doctor 1] No support afterhours. That’s a massive limitation where after hours you’re relying on that 1300 number to give you advice on how to best manage this patient. Where if it was a cardiac patient you ring up the cathlab in [town], but mental health, you just can’t ring a psychologist up…You need a specialist to guide you, that’s where that all breaks down. [Nurse 5] The biggest thing that we have trouble doing is from here, getting them to [acute facility] if they need that. They can wait here for days and that’s not good for them because they’re usually in a little confined area and hear the ‘beep, beep, beep’ of the alarms. It’s not the right place for them to be. They’ve got to start here of course but it’s just the timeframe to get them up there which can stop them. It could be transporters, it can be bedlock. Bedlock’s a huge problem and there’s more people with mental health issues now. [Nurse 7] |
| G. Long wait times for definitive management of mental health patients in ED |
Sometimes our mental health patients can sit there for three-four hours, depending on how busy MHEC is. There are some nights where you have four or five people who self-present as voluntary people seeking help or whatever, and you have to sit them in the waiting room and say ‘It may be a couple of hours until someone in [MHEC] is ready to talk to you’. It’s not ideal. [Nurse 1] There are no beds available anywhere else and no one’s willing to accept them and move them on from the ED, and then that does create an issue of like inadequate resourcing because you don’t have enough rooms for people, but that’s just more, I guess a general issue. [Nurse 5] They wait no longer than any other person to see a general specialist… If you walked around the unit today the average stay overnight, we’re at 16 and 17 hours for patients overnight within the ED to actually get a bed, get transferred, have that review by the specialist service. [Nurse 5] For a definitive answer, probably yes, maybe. Or for a definitive transfer time they definitely are [waiting longer]. [Nurse 3] We quite often will get them reviewed quite quickly. It’s the waiting for that secondary review and them saying let them sleep overnight and get them followed up by the [mental health clinical liaison nurse], that’s an ongoing concern that they’re pushing back to the resources that are here. [Nurse 4] |