| Literature DB >> 33247015 |
Kevin B Schesing1, Ricardo Chia2, Bryan Elwood3, Ethan A Halm3, Simon J Craddock Lee4, Hamza Lodhi2, Bryan Wu1, Shishir Sharma5, Scott A Smith6, Robin B Jarrett7, Sandeep R Das5,8, Wanpen Vongpatanasin9,5.
Abstract
OBJECTIVES: Previous studies have implicated therapeutic drug monitoring (TDM), by measuring serum or urine drug levels, as a highly reliable technique for detecting medication non-adherence but the attitudes of patients and physicians toward TDM have not been evaluated previously. Accordingly, we solicited input from patients with uncontrolled hypertension and their physicians about their views on TDM.Entities:
Keywords: cardiology; hypertension; internal medicine; qualitative research
Mesh:
Substances:
Year: 2020 PMID: 33247015 PMCID: PMC7703422 DOI: 10.1136/bmjopen-2020-039940
Source DB: PubMed Journal: BMJ Open ISSN: 2044-6055 Impact factor: 2.692
Interview script
| Ques tions | Time | Main questions | Possible follow-up questions |
| Intro | 5 | Thank you for agreeing to talk with me today. As you know, we are talking with patients who have recently been diagnosed with uncontrolled high blood pressure and their providers. We are trying to find the best way to use an effective new blood test that can help doctors know for sure how much of the medications they prescribe to patients are in the patient’s blood. This can help the doctor understand if the medication is doing what it needs to do to control high blood pressure and improve the patient’s health. | |
| #1 | 5 min |
|
What have you heard about the risks of uncontrolled high blood pressure? How would you explain these risks to someone? |
| #2 | 5 min | ( |
What lifestyle changes have people (or you for providers) suggested? What medications have your doctors (or you for providers) prescribed to you for managing your high blood pressure? How do you feel about taking medications for high blood pressure? (or for providers) How do you feel about prescribing medications for high blood pressure? |
| #3 | 5 min |
|
How do other people you know who take high blood pressure medications feel about taking them? Do you know anyone who does not take their high blood pressure medications as prescribed? If so, why do you think they do not? What have you heard about why people might decide to not take their medications? What do you think might be the effect of skipping doses or not taking the medications? What do you think about people choosing to skip doses of their medications? What do you think about people choosing to stop taking some of their medications? Why do you think people might choose to not talk to their doctor before changing the way, or if, they take their medications? |
| # 4 | 5 min |
|
Why do you think a doctor might recommend doing this test for a patient? Do you think this is important information for the doctor to have? Why or why not? Why do you think this information is important to the doctors? If your doctor wanted to use this test for you, would you agree to it? Why or why not? |
| #5 | 10 min |
|
If the patient says he or she is taking their medication, and the test result suggests that they are not, how do you think the patient might feel? What feelings might a patient have in this situation? What might the doctor be thinking in this situation? How might this impact the patient’s relationship with their doctor? How might this effect the way the doctor feels about the patient? |
| #6 | 10 min |
|
What should the doctor say about why they are concerned about a test result that shows the patient is not receiving the prescribed amount of the medication? Is this the time for the doctor to explain the possible risks to the patient? Would it be helpful if the doctor suggested reasons why some patients do not always take their medications? Why or why not? If the doctor were to suggest such reasons, when would be the right time to do that? Would it be before he or she explains this blood test they are recommending? |
| #7 | 5 min |
| -How would you want to receive these results from your doctor? Is it important to have them written out for you to see while the doctor is explaining them? |
| #8 | 5 min |
|
What makes it hard for patients to talk about these issues? What could the doctor say or do that would make it easier to bring them up? Do you think the test could make it look like the patient has not been honest about taking his or her medications? If that happened, how should the doctor respond? What could they say or do to assure the patient that they are not passing judgement? |
| #9 | 5 min |
|
What other thoughts do you have about how to use this test in a way that builds trust between the patient and doctor? What would make this test acceptable to patients? |
TDM, therapeutic drug monitoring.
Selected themes and quotes: patients' perspectives on therapeutic drug monitoring
| Theme | Quote |
|
| |
| Memory/forgetfulness | Well, and I'm not going to lie, there for a while, I did try to take them. Then, I got so tired of taking them, then I would forget. Then, I'd go a week like that, or I've gotten where I cough so much, because I get bronchitis twice, twice a year. I cough so much, and I take it, and it comes right back up. My sisters used to call me a lot when I first started taking mine, to remind me to take mine, I'd say I already did. They said, okay that's good, 'cause I know if one person is sick, all of us be sick and worried about the other one. We are a very, very close knit family. |
| Cost | Cost for seniors, it's cost. Cause some people don't……can't afford it. they should talk to the doctor about it first if it costs them more money than they have or they could afford. Some people live on a budget. I live on a fixed income. I don't get that much money, and when they talk about, like, I pay my rent and stuff and I know I paid it. I get so upset. |
| Lack of knowledge | I can't go into their mind but I think that they didn't realize the importance of it. |
| Not feeling sick | when they're blood pressure gets controlled they don't think they have to take their medicine anymore. We have a lady that our church just recently had a stroke. She was on blood pressure medicine, but she felt good, and her blood pressure was registering good, so she got off of the medicine. |
| Side effects | I was talking isosorbide something, blood pressure medication, that's the worst. It gave me really bad headaches. It took a while for them to take me off of it, but each time I saw the doctor I would repeat, “I can't function on this medicine.” |
|
| |
| Symptoms | I don't like taking any medication if I don't have to. But I mean, I have to. It's just the only thing that's going to make me feel better. At first I didn't…I'm like, you know, I didn't care about it. I wouldn't even take it. I wouldn't, until a couple years ago I got a real, real bad headache. I was almost having a stroke, my blood pressure was 200/100. It was real bad. I didn't care at first, but the medicine I started, the medicine does help you to keep it level. Keep you where doctor wants you and your blood pressure. So, I think it's a good thing to take. |
| Trust | Because I go to the same doctors, and I've developed some trust in them for on thing. That's the only thing you can rely on, trusting the doctor. You've got to have some kind of comfort, or trust, with that doctor. Even if it's the first time. Talk to them. They've gotta be easy to talk to. And if they're not easy to talk to, it's hard for you to get what you need from them, because you're not able to tell them what's going on with you. |
| Perceived risks | Because it's not a medical condition that you can feel. It'll take you out without you knowing it. It's scary. I think that's probably the biggest one I can think of. It comes down to if they can't feel the effect of it (high blood pressure) then- |
| Social support | My sisters used to call me a lot when I first started taking mine, to remind me to take mine. |
| Relationship with providers | I guess it depends on every doctor. Like some doctors, they're very friendly and some doctors don't seem too friendly, or some doctors just seem like they're not so interested. They're just in a hurry. “You're here. Okay, this is it.” Then they walk off so you're not comfortable. So why waste your time? You're fixing to tell him something and then they already wanting to leave. The doctor, some doctors can just be cold, you know. Callous, I guess you might, at times, you just kind of make the patient feel uneasy. some doctors talk way up here, and you don't understand. some doctors don't want to take the time to talk to you. If they are just straight going about their day, trying to get the patient in and out, it's a little more difficult for you to talk to them, for you to tell them what's happening. But, if their more inviting to you, or you feel that they're inviting, it's easy to talk to. To tell them, “Hey, this is what's going on with me.” It's kind of hard to find some doctors like that. |
|
| |
| Reluctance to admit financial difficulty | I mean nobody wants to admit that you don't have enough funds to do everything that you want to do. You know, and then maybe they suggest maybe we could get a social worker or maybe get you in some program. My age group, asking for a lot of help is not something that we were raised to do. Some people will ask, well do you have any free this or free that, but our culture, my group, that's just not something we're really accustomed to doing. It kind of makes it hard. So you kind of have to, as my daddy said, work easy in that area. The cost is a big thing, it took two years before my mom was ever to tell a doctor I can't afford this med and this med. In fact, it would have never happened if my sister hadn't started taking her to the doctor and interrupting conversation between her and the doctor and saying, I can't afford it. |
| Reluctance to admit side effects | My younger son, his blood pressure is higher you know it's not controlled, but he's younger. The medications that he's been given caused him issues as he always say. So, but my reaction to him was, go back and talk to the doctor. Let them know what the medicine is doing and that you don't want to take it cause you a young and vibrant and you got a wife. Let them prescribe you something else.especially with men, especially with blood pressure pills, a lot of things that they're just not going to tell their doctor unless they're doctors asked because they're embarrassed about these things. Too much stigma, which is a shame. But it's the society that we live in. |
|
| |
| Confirmation of adherence | So I think it would be a good thing. I know that they do it for their psych patients, cause I have a friend that takes psychiatry medicine, and they check their blood to make sure that they are taking their medications. So if you do that … that would help with blood pressure, that would be pretty cool. it would eliminate some of the guess work as to the wait and see kind of effect. That's I'm going to give this medicine to you, and I'll wait until you come back in three weeks or whatever to see how it reacted, or what changes in your body has come and gone. I don't know. I think it's a good idea. That's a good way to find out what's going on with the patient, and why they're not taking their medicine like they're supposed to. |
| Education opportunity | Well, the doctor could try to change it and inform the patient of what's gonna happen to them if they don't take the medications. |
|
| |
| Doctor–patient relationship | Some people, not very happy, because they don't like to be caught, I guess you want to call it. They're busted basically. It could cause a bad feeling between the patient and the doctor, or it could build a trust. So it could go either way depending on the relationship between the patients and the doctors. Probably in a more positive way, because like I said, they would know that the doctor is on top of it, they know that they're getting the right medication, and the right levels. Okay, he meant well. He didn't really … "He chewed me out, sure 'nuff, but his chewing out was for a good cause. Good. Good. You know what I mean? So, I don't think they can be a negative effect. |
| Nurturing and compassion | You want him to tell you what's right but in a compassionate way. Nobody likes to be yelled at or anything. You got to remember that their your patients. Well, I think he should just, again, talk to the patient. There's a lot of patients that you can talk to. But if you approach them the right way, I think the patient will be all right and will be probably understanding. |
| Sensitive to patients' barriers/normalisation of reasons | Again, it depends on the individual. People have reasons for doing things that they do. Some people may have totally different reasons why they take their medicine and why they don't sometime. You know. Some people might not like the side effects of it. Like the doctors aware that all these things can go on, it makes a patient feel better. I don't have to tell you I can't afford it, or it makes me feel weird, or for whatever reason he already knows that these things can happen so it will probably make it easier to discuss. Because everybody has different little issues of what you said. It may not be all of that applied to me, but to different individuals it applies. Some of this stuff applies to them. So I think it's good. |
| Open communication | They may not tell you they're not taking it, but they'll hint around you know about, well see this medicine causes me to do this and this. Some of the young men at our church, when we kind of found out their wives were letting us know they weren't taking their medicine, when you get them alone and you can talk to them, I said she wants you to be alive and well. I said go talk to the doctor and tell him what problems you're having. I said they got me on some medicine so you don't have to … I would rather for you to talk to them and get something that will work with you, rather than not take it and we lose you. Well, if the patient is not telling the truth, they're really playing with their lives, and they need to straighten up and tell the doctor the truth. Ask if they could prescribe something else maybe. Say the medication isn't working, I didn't take it. Just own up to it, and I'd like you to prescribe something else that would help me, but I couldn't take the medication because it made me sick or gave me headaches, or had my heart palpitating. Just tell them the truth. The doctor can't make somebody tell the truth, the patient should own up to it. Just tell them they're not. Say I'm doing it for your own good. |
Selected themes and quotes: provider perspectives on therapeutic drug monitoring
| Theme | Quote |
| Benefits of monitoring | |
| Patient care | l “you're able to actually see if the patient is actually taking their medication"l "helpful as far as giving some objective measure for trying to manage them or treat them or make decision about what to do with their medications"l "knowing what they're doing certainly makes it easier from our perspective to figure out what to do as far as treatment plans…"l “it's a good idea to help being able to confirm what they [patients] do"l " I think it'll be helpful for the practitioners to know when their patietns are telling the truth…"l “knowing that they're not compliant will likely change their clinical care, likely in a positive way"l “you'd be able to avoid the adverse consequence of unnecessarily adding more blood pressure to somebody who doesn't need it"l “it's going to have a positive impact because I'm going to know what to do about my patient's blood pressure” |
| Cost effectiveness | it would be very helpful. I think it could probably potentially save health care dollars” |
| Safety | l “it would help patient safety so we won't be overprescribing the medication"l "I think we would be able to focus our efforts more on counseling them on medication adherence rather than adding the third, fourth, and fifth medicines” |
| Barriers to adherance | |
| Access and affordability | l “they're having issues with funding for their medications"l “one problem we get into here is always cost and that becomes an issue"l "Lastly, cost. If there are so many other medications that patients have to take, and so many other obligations, they might just not chosse to take their blood pressure medications"l “in my experience, one of the biggest problems is, in the venue that i practiced during fellowship, was access issues"l “people can't affords their meds. Even if it's on the Walmart four dollar list, sometimes you've got to make ends meet.“l “Sometimes if there's suspicion about affordability issue, sometimes it's just like, “Are you able to afford your medicine?” You just have to ask that question straight up, and sometimes people are really embarrassed about their financial status so they don't want to tell you." |
| Drug side effects | l "a lot of our people have fear of side effecs. They agree to take it [medication] while in the room [office] and then when the pharmacist tells him about it, they become really worried"l "I think for some of the major anti-hypertensives, there's some very tangible side efffecs that patients feel pretty soon after starting their meds"l “…some people are actually genuinely very afraid of side effects of medications…" |
| Pill burden/ self-efficacy | l “daily dosing vs multiple times a day dosing medication, then they might not want to adhere because they'll forget.“l “…some of these folks who I see have multiple pill bottles and it's hard to keep track of ten bottles"l “if you've never been on medications….to take them every single day is a routine that's hard to get into"l “patients might just have too many medications and that can be a hindrance to the compliance…"l "i think the major reason would be the frequency of which they have to take the medicine…The next most would just be forgetting to take…" |
| Forgetfulness | l “sometimes they just forget, the medicine just falls off the wagon…it's an easy thing to forget…"l "it's easy to forget….it it's twice a day medicine, they very commonly will forget to take the evening dose. Three times a day medicine is just almost impossible sometimes” |
| Communication | l "I've many times talked to patients about language barriers when it comes to reading prescription bottles…I find that patient is not being compliant, that's one of the first things I address with them is, do you understand how to read this prescription bottle, do you know what it means…" |
| Health literacy | l “they may not be aware how serious high blood pressure is, so then they don't really take the medication seriously"l "not understanding the reason why they need to take their medication.so they don't really understand what's behind it. I think those are big considerations for them"l "I think that literacy is a big factor. Honesly, its difficult for people to understand that even though they feel fine now, that taking BP medicine is going to keep them from getting sick later on…" |
| Psychological (denial, unwillingness, bias) | l "they might not be willing to accept the changes that they need to make in their habit in their daily lifestyle to make the medicines daily"l “…there's going to be patients who are hesitant….to take their medications [due to]. suspicion of the medical profession." |
| Barriers to disclosure | |
| Repetition | l “they might have already been counseled from there in the past, and they don't want to repeat the same conversation again” |
| Expectation | l “yeah I guess some people just really want to please the doctor"l "I think the patients to some extent always want to please the provider or the doctor they see. They don't want them to be perceived as I don't do what I'm told” |
| Embarassment | l " patients are probably embarrassed to admit that theyre not taking their medications. “l “this person just feels embarrassed or doesn't want to disappoint their doctor"l But I think it's mostly that position of authority that the doctor sits in and that the patients are embarrassed, or they're afraid of being seen as incompetent or unruly.l "they take their meds because they're afraid that i'm going to think less of them if they tell me they're not taking them…" |
| Intervention implications | |
| Change in perception of patient | l "that's going to happen with or without the testing. if you don't get the desired response. I don't think this will make anything worse"l I don't think so. I think that even when we talk to our patients, we sometimes have a suspicion that they may not be honest with us. I think that this blood test would just be a more objective fact for us to stand upon when we make judgments."l "I would like to think not, but i imaging that I subconsciously probably do…I think on an individual level, it's probably insignificant."l "I would like to think no, but i think that i would potentially be kidding myself if i thought there was not some unconscious bias"l "again, I would hope not. I think it's hard to avoid that kind of unconscious bias but yeah…it does color your judgement of the patient. I try to avoid that, but it's, i think unavoidable”.l "Not necessarily…i guess maybe…I guess it will change my perception about how engaged I perceive them to be in their care."l "I don't think so. I mean, i wouldn't necessarily think, oh, this person's a liar or dishonest. I would presumably just think more, this person just feels embarrassed or doesn't want to disappoint their doctor"l " I know that visceral reactions are going to happen, and people are going to reflex to, 'My patient is a liar'” |
| Mode of counselling | l "if we bring this up gently, this would be something they would be okay with as long as you are not accusatory about it"l " I think that you have to be careful about how it's going to change the dynamic between patient and provider"l "…it could lead to an improved patient/provider relationship. I think the conversation would have to be led very, very skillfully by the provider for that to actually happen” ▶ I think certainly establishing a good relationship with the patient and making sure that you don't create a stigma around it. Making sure that you tell your patient that you, again, are in it as a team, that you two are working together as a team instead of you kind of reprimanding the patient. That will kind of make them more likely to be honest and more willing to work towards compliance. " |
| Patient–doctor relationship | l "No(it wouldn't hurt doctor-patient relationship), again it's just how you would use it….if you use it gently. Just like any test, the practitioner would have to use it with some discretion"l "It can, yes. Because, I mean the patient and provider should have this trust with one another in regards to what they're saying….these blood tests, and you start seeing your patient is actually not taking it."l "I think it would potentially, positively. Right? My goals for the patient wouldn't change. The goals are still to improve their overall care and if I had to take a different strategy or approach to doing that, this may help me do that."l "they might feel like the doctors are tring to act as the big brother…being monitored too much. Maybe the government or doctors…are getting too involved in their life"l "Certainly, that would decrease some tension but i think that might already exist…you already know that patients are being non-compliant even though they say they are…"l " i think regardless of how the discussion is framed, I am sure some people might still feel a little bit defensive on might feel like their provider doesn't trust them. "l "i think it could create additional barriers for patients to participation in their healthcare and continue to actively engage in the healthcare system…"l "it makes me worried that in some cases it may lead to this accusatory or paternalistic scenario…will add this element of tension to the relationship … What it reminds me of. drug monitoring in patients who are on chronic narcotics that the VA does…"l "I think, like I said, it might compromise the provider/patient relationship…it has the potential to cause harm and not a lot of potential to improve the patient relationship” |
| Increased communication | l "I think it's going to open up the conversation. And again, if you don't come in making them defensive, I think this could help to open up"again I try to talk to people from the standpoint that I'm here to help you, but we got to be honest with each other both ways 'cause if we don't do that, that potentially can hurt you if I assume you're doing one thing and treat you based upon that.l "having the objective measures may help us open up that dialect and conversation with them help them get a better understanding that we can work together"l "I think it will open a discussion as to whether they're taking their meds the right way with the right frequency. I think it is similar to the urine tox screen where patients sometimes might deny it but then they also be willing tobe truthful and to discuss the topic further"l "Sometimes patients just forget that they forgot to take their medication, so it could just be another reinforcement to allow for the patient to know that, "Listen, it looks like you aren't taking it as much as you think that you're taking it. We can work on this.” That kind of thing.” |
| Safety | l I think this would kind of help us to lead with why there is no improvement and probably save us from chasing with other more expensive and invasive testing if we have a pretty good idea why the patient is not improving. Yeah it could be safety and cost effective.l I think from a safety perspective, if you are concerned about whether or not a patient is taking all of these medications, instead of just prescribing more of these medicines where we're on our third, fourth or fifth med, but the patient isn't even taking medicine number one or number two, I think with would be able to focus our efforts more on counseling them on medication adherence rather than counseling them on the indications, risks, and benefits to these third, fourth, and fifth medicines. |
| Normalising reasons | l Offering them some reasons, "Maybe the medicine is giving you a side effect. Maybe you're forgetting to take some doses, everybody forgets to take doses.l If you ask a few more times, and especially if you have time, normalizing it, “You're on 15 medications, I understand this is hard to take all of them. In a typical week, how many might you miss” |
Figure 1Proposed factors enhancing patient–provider communication of therapeutic drug monitoring (TDM) results and obstacles to medication adherence.