| SMAP Pride | Program benefitsDesire to do well | Community pharmacist 9: So people tell me that after their assessment they understand their disease better, they understand their medication better. I can help them to take their medication as prescribed to, and I can work with them and their clinician or prescriber to get a good result.Community pharmacist 9: I think in general people and society recognize good work, so just if you are feeling let down by government, employers, whoever you think, just remember if you contribute positively to society, to individuals just keep doing that, and it does eventually pay off in your mind, in your brain, in your soul, and also in your pocketbook too. People will be known for the good work that you do over time, and that keeps you going. | | |
| SMAP Concerns | Renal patients have unique complex care needsDuplication of serviceNegative experiences | | Renal pharmacist 7: . . . it is just that the dialysis patients are a small, select, specific group.Renal pharmacist 1: But then sometimes, you almost question duplication. If you look at a lean philosophy, is it not really lean.Renal pharmacist 7: So in most cases a global medication review is done on a regular basis for all of those patients anyway in a dialysis specific way.Renal pharmacist 3: This one that we got was not signed, no consent, we looked and hydralazine is not a diuretic. And for example, recommendations were things like “separate calcium from calcium channel blockers,” which in reality is likely not a concern, but the patient came in quite concerned.Renal Pharmacist 8: A pharmacist felt that amlodipine was of the same category as Ramipril and felt that it was a duplicate therapeutic medication . . . The pharmacist actually didn’t realize what the components of Caduet were and was making recommendations based on that. | Nephrologist 5: Things like I will see Septra prescribed in renal failure, and they end up with a potassium of 7 and a creatinine, like, huge. I see patients with kidney failure that are given anti-inflammatories all the time. I see patients that are given inappropriate doses according to their eGFR for their medications all the time . . . They [renal patients] are not as easy to work with.Nephrologist 7: There is the complexity of the drug itself and the whole side effect interaction with other drugs, the importance of keeping the dose within a certain limit to maintain a good therapeutic level, and the effect of this therapeutic level.Nephrologist 8: I would be a little nervous that the service would be a little redundant.Nephrologist 6: It’s like three people [the nephrologist, the renal pharmacist and the community pharmacist] doing the same job. |
| Nephrologist /Pharmacist relationships | Appreciation for Renal PharmacistsUncertainty about Community Pharmacist Skills | | | Nephrologist 6: They do a wonderful job for us and we are so blessed to have them.Nephrologist 8: I can see the benefit theoretically, but I think in the real world, without specialized training, that would be a very difficult thing . . . I think the community pharmacist may not have access to, from a knowledge standpoint, would be issues surrounding drug treatment for conditions that they don’t know or don’t understand, conditions that don’t have guidelines per say.Nephrologist 2: Well most of them [SMAPs] were very well done, but they were missing some information, I thought. For instance, advising that ACE inhibitors should be stopped because the blood pressure was either low or the serum creatinine was high, when if you don’t know all the clinical context of why that individual is on an ACE inhibitor (like do they have proteinuria?), then you shouldn’t be making those kinds of recommendations, because then family physicians do follow them. Or patients say, “well the pharmacist said I shouldn’t be on this drug because of blah, blah, blah,” and so the recommendations have been made without all of the information. |
| Various levels of comfort with SMAP process | | Community pharmacist 3: I would definitely need to spend extra time doing homework and catching myself up on all that kind of renal information. Um, so that is one of the challenges I find with some of these more complex patients, is that I feel like I have to go back to school or relearn some of these things, that I am not as familiar with. | Renal pharmacist 5 . . . they have multiple health issues, they are on so many drugs, and it is a specialized area. So unless you work in transplant or renal, it would be hard to make appropriate recommendations as a retail pharmacist for a medication assessment. | Nephrologist 3: The problem is that I don’t really have a good grasp of what a community pharmacist grasps.Nephrologist 3: I think there is a lot of range from pharmacist to pharmacist based on my experience. |
| Barriers and Improvements | Communication and CollaborationOther Challenges(see Table 2 for suggestions) | Community pharmacist 2: In the perfect world, it would be great to have visited maybe the renal clinics and to understand that, how they work and what kind of care they get there. And you know, is it sort of like they do the blood work while they are there and then someone comes in and adjusts their medications afterwards.Community pharmacist 2: I guess just the time to do a proper job, staffing to be able to have the time to do a proper job [is a challenge].Community pharmacist 6: I think there needs to be more training especially for the current students. I mean sometimes it is hard to get training out to us who have graduated. If we had better training for current students, I learn from the students that we have. I ask them questions, I find them very valuable resources, and they need more training. I would like more money for each med review so I can have proper time to do a good job, so they can give me more hours for it. I would like to see education to doctors and patients. I would like the ability to order lab tests like phenytoin and creatinine clearance. It is frustrating to spend, you know, five hours on a med review and have the doctor ignore it.Community pharmacist 8: Ok, so I feel that maybe the criteria are a bit too controlled. It is lovely to have 65 year olds on five medications, that captures a lot, but there are a lot of other people that it doesn’t capture. So it was a start, but now maybe it is time to maybe look at whether they feel that this is successful the way it is and the way it is set up and if it is and they see that there is some benefit could they expand it.Community pharmacist 9: One of the challenges I have is that if you don’t do that second yearly med review exactly 365 days from the first, that person now loses their packaging coverage. Maybe give the pharmacy a bit more grace to get through! I would give them like 14 months to the day. | Renal pharmacist 1: A lot of patients have close relationships with their community pharmacist, which is excellent and we encourage it [collaboration] . . . because, obviously, community pharmacists are valuable for that ongoing care . . . At least there should be some working relationship or collaboration, with the clinic to make sure that it aligns with the treatment plan that has been sent out by the nephrologist.Renal Pharmacist 3: Our patients are also followed by several different physicians, and I think that is a challenge too. So as a community pharmacist doing an SMAP you are not just communicating with a family physician but also a specialist, and the reality of health care, is that everyone doesn’t always know what everyone is doing. And what a family physician thinks is happening may not necessarily be what the specialist is doing, and that is necessarily not the right thing, but it is the reality. So that is something that is challenging—So these people have many prescriptions, they have several health care providers, you know it is a team approach, but sometimes the team is slightly disjointed. | Nephrologist 7: I would prefer it [communication] to be before so that I can indicate to the pharmacist right away what the patient’s kidney disease is and what my thought process is in prescribing certain medications. Because I have found in my experience that sometimes pharmacists will contact me and say, “oh this patient can’t take this medication for whatever reason,” and then I will say, “actually that is not true, the reason I prescribed this is for this reason.” And so just to save some time up front, I would like to be contacted in advance so that we could touch base, everybody is on the same page, and then once the pharmacist does the review, I personally prefer to be contacted directly and just to have this ongoing dialogue. |