Literature DB >> 31106565

Reply to Schwarz et al.: Pathological Sleep and Wakefulness in the ICU and Weaning Failure: A Causal Relationship?

Martin Dres1,2, Magdy Younes3,4, Laurent Brochard1,5.   

Abstract

Entities:  

Mesh:

Year:  2019        PMID: 31106565      PMCID: PMC6727165          DOI: 10.1164/rccm.201905-0991LE

Source DB:  PubMed          Journal:  Am J Respir Crit Care Med        ISSN: 1073-449X            Impact factor:   21.405


× No keyword cloud information.
From the Authors: We are very grateful to Schwarz and colleagues for reading our article (1) and their fruitful comments, which we wish to address below. First, Schwarz and colleagues point out that any causal relationship between low odds ratio product (ORP) levels and weaning failure cannot be established from our data. They also highlight that the ORP level evaluation was made “at a single time point” and that potentially important information (previous sleep deprivation and previously diagnosed sleep disorders) was missing. Given the observational and exploratory nature of our study, we acknowledge that the design was not intended to reveal any causal relationship between the ORP findings and weaning outcomes. This study investigating ORP is the first to be conducted in an ICU setting, and further studies will have to determine whether the association between low ORP or interhemispheric ORP correlation and poor weaning outcome results from causality. Nevertheless, in a recent study, Thille and colleagues reported that patients with weaning failure were more likely to have pathological wakefulness (2). We actually observed an association between a low level of right-/left-brain hemisphere ORP correlation and reaching a normal ORP level (Figure 6 in our article). We therefore believe that there might be a possible link between a low level of ORP and poor weaning outcome. It is true that ORP—as reported in our study—reflects the average ORP in the whole study period, from 5 p.m. to 8 a.m. Consequently, we may have missed some relevant changes that occurred during the night. In a sensitivity analysis not shown in the article, we addressed this issue by assessing ORP over tertiles of the night and did not observe different findings. Of note, we had excluded patients with known sleep-disordered breathing. Second, Schwarz and colleagues raise concerns about the weaning process and the process used in deciding to extubate. They also questioned the reasons for patients’ failure to wean. However, Table E1 in the online supplement of our article provides the reasons for spontaneous breathing trial (SBT) failures and for not extubating patients who passed the SBT. Regarding the weaning process, all details are provided in the Methods section of our article, but we totally agree that the evaluation of success (or failure) of the SBT remains subjective. However, as stated in Methods, predefined criteria were used by the clinical team (3). Another important point is that the same SBT protocol was used for all of the patients (4). We believe that this approach may have reduced the subjective bias of the clinical evaluation. In addition, we also provide in the online supplement the results from an analysis of two groups: successful SBT and failed SBT. This analysis provided the same findings as the primary analysis. Third, Schwarz and colleagues suggest some further areas of research that we think are highly relevant, including the effects of various analgosedation regimes. The assessment of ORP levels in combination with neuroimaging and neurofunctional data certainly deserves attention, and further studies are needed to consider this important objective. Schwarz and colleagues indicate some interesting leads in this regard.
  3 in total

1.  Impact of sleep alterations on weaning duration in mechanically ventilated patients: a prospective study.

Authors:  Arnaud W Thille; Faustine Reynaud; Damien Marie; Stéphanie Barrau; Ludivine Rousseau; Christophe Rault; Véronique Diaz; Jean-Claude Meurice; Rémi Coudroy; Jean-Pierre Frat; René Robert; Xavier Drouot
Journal:  Eur Respir J       Date:  2018-04-19       Impact factor: 16.671

2.  Sleep and Pathological Wakefulness at the Time of Liberation from Mechanical Ventilation (SLEEWE). A Prospective Multicenter Physiological Study.

Authors:  Martin Dres; Magdy Younes; Nuttapol Rittayamai; Tetyana Kendzerska; Irene Telias; Domenico Luca Grieco; Tai Pham; Detajin Junhasavasdikul; Edmond Chau; Sangeeta Mehta; M Elizabeth Wilcox; Richard Leung; Xavier Drouot; Laurent Brochard
Journal:  Am J Respir Crit Care Med       Date:  2019-05-01       Impact factor: 21.405

3.  Weaning from mechanical ventilation.

Authors:  J-M Boles; J Bion; A Connors; M Herridge; B Marsh; C Melot; R Pearl; H Silverman; M Stanchina; A Vieillard-Baron; T Welte
Journal:  Eur Respir J       Date:  2007-05       Impact factor: 16.671

  3 in total

北京卡尤迪生物科技股份有限公司 © 2022-2023.