| Literature DB >> 23560224 |
Yannish Jones Naik1, Caroline Anderton, Greg Fell.
Abstract
OBJECTIVES: To investigate the importance of incorporating secondary care input to aid commissioning following National Health Service reforms which will see the replacement of Primary Care Trusts with Clinical Commissioning Groups; to determine barriers that might arise given that this issue had been raised during public consultations and to explore ways to improve this input.Entities:
Year: 2013 PMID: 23560224 PMCID: PMC3616307 DOI: 10.1177/2042533313476683
Source DB: PubMed Journal: JRSM Short Rep ISSN: 2042-5333
Stated reasons why secondary care input is important
| ‘It's fundamental that we're the ones that have been trained to see these patients, to make a diagnosis, to understand why that diagnosis is important because we understand the complications or the result of it’. [Sec2] |
| ‘If you consider the consultants to be the specialists in the field, how can a general practitioner who surely knows a lot more about general things than I do, but knows far less about the specialist things than I do, how can they make the decisions that then affect the care of everybody who wants to use the service?’ [Sec4] |
| ‘We should have one pathway for each thing because it starts in primary care and ends in secondary care and whatever else in between so it shouldn't be little bits of isolated commissioning it should all be part of one pathway’ [GP1] |
| ‘Commissioning decisions…in the community have a massive impact on your local hospital’ [GP3] |
| ‘Particularly for the integrated care where you need consistent pathways going through then I think you should have a lot of close relationships with secondary care’ [Dir5] |
| ‘In an ideal world there'd be a really good linkup between primary care and secondary care and I'm aware that some areas of the world they talk about medicine being more rather tiered, more sort-of cake slices and you'd have a whole unit so you'd talk about the unit being a mixture of community services, primary care and secondary care all being one big wedge and that would be one unit, it wouldn't be different areas competing with each other’. [GP3] |
| ‘So we clearly need their expertise to help design the right pathways…definitely in terms of designing pathways that are efficient, do what we need them to do, do what the patients need them to do’ [Dir1] |
| ‘people go ahead and do things without secondary care advice and it's not cost effective’. [Dir4] |
Main potential barriers to the integration of secondary care advice
| ‘One barrier is that primary and secondary care clinicians have not had a fantastic history of working together, probably over the past 15–20 years’. [Dir1] |
| ‘There are certainly barriers now, that secondary care is still to my mind perceived as the bad guys, that we create work to maintain our own existence, and that we admit patients because that's what we like to do’. [Sec3] |
| ‘As each provider becomes more and more focused on their own profit making and their own sustainability…then their willingness to share and work together becomes less’. [Dir2] |
| ‘There's always going to be professional tensions. We all know that. There's always been different tensions between different specialties, between primary care and secondary care, between clinicians and managers’. [Pub1] |
| ‘A really primary issue is the conflict of interest that exists in engaging secondary care clinicians in a conversation about what services look like in the future because there's a turkeys voting for Christmas element of this because actually it may be far more sensible to shut down a unit and provide it in a different way’. [Dir3] |
| ‘[the providers are] all hit with these financial pressures you know these NHS reforms require them to have cost improvement programmes so again that hits frontline staff despite what we might be told’. [Dir2] |
| ‘Underneath all of this and one thing we've not said about commissioning is the would-be elephant in the room i.e. £20 billion of savings over the next 2–3 years. That's a shed load of dosh’. [Dir4] |
| ‘One of the most remarkable features of the NHS at the current time from the commissioning perspective is the absolute lack of leadership from GPs, I mean they're virtually invisible when it comes to any leadership or decision making’. [Dir3] |
| ‘Yes they know their patients well, but they may not necessarily know the pathway of what's needed to manage patients with individual diseases and the pathway for each disease, for each specialty, can be very different’. [Sec1] |
| ‘Time I think is probably the main thing because we're busy doing our own things, the GPs are busy doing their own things’. [Sec4] |
| ‘Yesterday I was meant to talk to X, today, X isn't dealing with that area any more and nobody knows who's going to be doing it from now’. [Sec5] |
| ‘Somebody has to do the basic work, and we're suddenly losing a load of people out of the clinical setting, into managerial and commissioning’. [GP1] |
| ‘people are becoming very frustrated that they don't know how they're going to be working in 18 months time’. [Dir1] |
Main solutions proposed
| ‘I think conversation's good, talking's good, meeting's good, and actually having material things to talk about. And to be open and honest about that which is challenging because that means you'll be open about what you could be doing better, what you're not doing so well as well as what is going well’. [Dir7] |
| ‘All of the organisations should be talking to each other so that includes the council, what council is that?, hospitals, the care trust which provides mental health and community services and GPs as commissioners…In terms of individuals, that's kind of multi-layered really. There are the senior individuals like the accountable officers of commissioning groups who should be speaking to medical directors and chief executives in acute trusts and care trusts. That's more about very high level, changing the culture, selling the vision kind of conversations. Below that is more of the engine-room type conversations if you like where clinicians with interests in particular areas will be talking about pathway redesign or population health in a particular area’. [Dir1] |
| ‘I think it's getting the right people in the right job, with the right power and who are willing to take on responsibility and bringing all different groups together, people who are enthusiastic and passionate about the service’. [Sec2] |
| ‘We're going to need strong chairs and firm terms of reference to allow these groups to work’. [Pub1] |
| ‘Most people believe now that the only way to face the enormous financial challenges facing the NHS is to integrate services and to start integrating now, to start thinking outside of the buildings, so we shouldn't necessarily think anymore of GP surgeries and hospitals but start thinking more in terms of teams of clinicians who work together, and it becomes less important whether they work out of a GP surgery or a hospital building, it's more about integrated teams of clinicians working together in the most efficient way’. [Dir1] |
| ‘Just stop the use of ‘secondary’ and ‘tertiary care’ words’. [Dir6] |
| ‘‘Culture eats strategy for breakfast’. There's no point having the best strategy in the world if you haven't got the culture to implement it’. [Pub1] |
| ‘It will take time to establish those relationships and to establish that trust and mutual respect’. [Dir1] |
| ‘I think that's about more and more clinicians having managerial time built in to their working week, into their diaries’. [Dir1] |
| ‘You've got to have strong clinical leadership, strong management leadership, and strong political leadership as well. That's the only way it's going to happen’. [Pub1] |
| ‘Pathways need to be developed across a system and everyone needs to be agreeing to them and work towards them so in time if that's the case, if people are working to the same rules which are all evidence based …’. [Sec2] |
| ‘I think we need clarity from the government, the department of health, as to the detail of these reforms, we still only have very high level stuff, and we need fairly quickly now some detail about the reforms, the future structures, the day to day operational details about how these future structures will work’. [Dir1] |
GP, general practitioner
Innovative suggestions from participants to create links between GPs and secondary care
| GP roadshows – specialists visiting GP practices to showcase services |
| GP ward rounds in hospitals to increase GPs’ awareness of secondary care |
| Specialists carrying out satellite clinics or minor surgery in GP practices |
| ‘Speed dating’ events where GPs and specialists can meet briefly and get to know each other |
| Providers having a strategy to engage GPs |
| Websites – forum to exchange knowledge and contact details for responsible professionals |
| The Local Clinical Partnership[ |
GP, general practitioner
Participants’ suggestions for organisations
| Choosing people with the appropriate skills, knowledge and attitude |
| Having well-defined job roles to ensure professionals know what to do |
| Empowering the chosen people to make changes |
| Developing a good structure and terms of reference to help achieve objectives |
| Increasing commissioner engagement for service design and improvement |
| Nominating clinicians for each clinical area |
| Employing a coordinator to facilitate secondary care involvement |